United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

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Originally posted by KidRock
Biden is a little RIAA whore..**** him if he thinks he can prosecute me for stealing music online.

n April, he proposed spending $1 billion in U.S. tax dollars so police can monitor peer-to-peer networks for illegal activity.

Really? 1 billion dollars to track down people downloading songs? That 1 billion dollars can't be spent else ware (in before IT WILL COME FROM THE ENDLESS SUPPLY OF MONEY THAT WILL RAIN FROM THE SKY WHEN WE LEAVE IRAQ!)?

This coming from the guy who believes tax money should be spent on missle defense, rather than healthcare.

Originally posted by lord xyz
This coming from the guy who believes tax money should be spent on missle defense, rather than healthcare.

Way to address the issue..anyway.

Of course I believe that, at least a missile defense system wont run out of money in 10 years and make our government raise taxes more or borrow more money which causes us to get in this shit situation in the first place..but hey, FREE HEALTHCARE!

Originally posted by KidRock
Way to address the issue..anyway.

Of course I believe that, at least a missile defense system wont run out of money in 10 years and make our government raise taxes more or borrow more money which causes us to get in this shit situation in the first place..but hey, FREE HEALTHCARE!

The millitary is like 50% of tax payers money, it's also arbitrary since you only invade 3rd world countries with weapons YOU supplied. You guys have virtually 100 times the weapons everyone else does, WHO THE **** IS GOING TO ATTACK YOU? You guys do borrow money, you borrow money from everyone, you also have a record defecit thanks to Dubya.

Free healthcare works for everyone else, how're you so different?

Originally posted by KidRock
Biden is a little RIAA whore..**** him if he thinks he can prosecute me for stealing music online.

n April, he proposed spending $1 billion in U.S. tax dollars so police can monitor peer-to-peer networks for illegal activity.

Really? 1 billion dollars to track down people downloading songs? That 1 billion dollars can't be spent else ware (in before IT WILL COME FROM THE ENDLESS SUPPLY OF MONEY THAT WILL RAIN FROM THE SKY WHEN WE LEAVE IRAQ!)?

Well, it could come from that, since that's about a trillion+ dollars. But I still think that decent citizens shouldn't be robbed of their money for either.

Originally posted by lord xyz
The millitary is like 50% of tax payers money, it's also arbitrary since you only invade 3rd world countries with weapons YOU supplied. You guys have virtually 100 times the weapons everyone else does, WHO THE **** IS GOING TO ATTACK YOU? You guys do borrow money, you borrow money from everyone, you also have a record defecit thanks to Dubya.

Free healthcare works for everyone else, how're you so different?

Source that 50% of taxpayers money goes to the military?

So you're saying nobody will attack us because of all the weapons we have? Wow, so..all that spending on the military is..keeping us safe? Madness! What a complete waste of money!

And yes we have a record deficit due to massive spending by Bush...so what is the answer? More massive spending by Obama of course! That will solve the problem.

Healthcare working for everybody..like who? It is debatable..I have heard mixed reviews from people in Canada and the UK.

Originally posted by KidRock
Way to address the issue..anyway.

Of course I believe that, at least a missile defense system wont run out of money in 10 years and make our government raise taxes more or borrow more money which causes us to get in this shit situation in the first place..but hey, FREE HEALTHCARE!

funny how canada has a budget surpluss and our gvt spends less per person on healthcare than yours does

crappy state run health

also, mixed reviews from Canada are about how to make our system better. It is unanimous accross the political spectrum in Canada, even in the conservative party, that we do not want an American style health system.

Originally posted by KidRock
Source that 50% of taxpayers money goes to the military?
Okay, I exaggerated, it's 19. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ef/US_budget_2007.svg/450px-US_budget_2007.svg.png
But the UK's is 5.

Originally posted by KidRock
So you're saying nobody will attack us because of all the weapons we have? Wow, so..all that spending on the military is..keeping us safe? Madness! What a complete waste of money!
It is a complete waste of money. Let me put it another way, you attacked Iraq, Iraq has hardly any weapons, and you have millions. You don't need millions of weapons since the countries you're fighting has, once again, hardly any.

Originally posted by KidRock
And yes we have a record deficit due to massive spending by Bush...so what is the answer? More massive spending by Obama of course! That will solve the problem.
Bush: Massive spending on war and low taxes.
Obama: Stop spending on war with Iraq, stop spending on war on drugs, spend on health-care, with a better tax system.

Originally posted by KidRock
health-care working for everybody..like who? It is debatable..I have heard mixed reviews from people in Canada and the UK.
No one in Canada or the UK would want the US system. Those mixed feelings you're talking about (like inimalist put it) are about how to make our system better.

Is Canada's healthcare system perfect? No it isn't but it is better then what the US has in that it insures that whether your rich or poor you have the same right to live and be healthy.

If anything we need to move further away from a US style of healthcare and more towards allot of the systems in Europe.

We spend less in our taxes for our healthcare then you spend on your insurance payments. And we never have to worry about our coverage being revoked.

I've never understood why people think "Taxes" is such an evil word. We like having well-maintained roads and bridges, we like having police and firefighters to protect us and government programs to helps us when we need them, we just don't like to pay for it. Voters are like kids who think their parents money just comes out of nowhere and there is always more.

My issue with taxes is not the amount of the tax, but how it's being spent. I don't mind paying, just give me my moneys worth. When politicians repeatedly give themselves a raise (In our case it seems every time the parliament starts a new session.) or when they use the tax payer funds to subsidize vacations, then I have a problem with taxes. But if they would use the money on what its meant to be used for, serving the needs of the public then I have no problem with taxes.

And for the people who say "If we don't pay them enough, we won't get qualified people for those positions." Look at George Bush.

I think if we cut their salaries, we would recruit people who actually care about civil service and less about getting rich.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix

I've never understood why people think "Taxes" is such an evil word.
It's cause it is a synonym for "Men with guns stealing your money".

Glad I could clear it up for you.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
I think if we cut their salaries, we would recruit people who actually care about civil service and less about getting rich.

underpaid civil servants are an invitation for corruption

Originally posted by inimalist
underpaid civil servants are an invitation for corruption
So are overpaid ones, though, sadly. You know what would really solve that problem? CCivil Servants with little to no power.

Woo

Originally posted by inimalist
underpaid civil servants are an invitation for corruption

That can be solved with strict and widespread oversight.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
That can be solved with strict and widespread oversight.
Which costs shitloads of money.

Oh and just adds to the people that can be corrupted.

On the whole an interesting idea though.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
That can be solved with strict and widespread oversight.

right, the police police the police

Thanks, and I can understand why people have a problem with paying higher taxes, I just think if they actually saw that tax money making a difference in their lives, it would be an easier pill to swallow then just watching the politicians waste it.

Originally posted by inimalist
right, the police police the police
Very "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" my friend. Bravo.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Thanks, and I can understand why people have a problem with paying higher taxes, I just think if they actually saw that tax money making a difference in their lives, it would be an easier pill to swallow then just watching the politicians waste it.
Probably, it would still be people stealing money from you. I am sure the prison ***** would prefer if Bubba used lube, but in the end he still gets ****ed in the ass.

Re: United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Strangelove
As we are less than 100 days until Election Day, November 4th, I thought it prudent to have an official discussion thread and poll for the Presidential election. This thread can be used for all discussion of policy and politics between the nominees of the two major parties and the several third parties.

Uh, have at it.

I must applaud you in that you've added all the other parties on your list, if somewhat sad that they do not get the same amount of media coverage as the Demo's and the Rep's do. America has yet to embrace the sad truth that its become more or less a two party system and all the others are fluff.

And although I will vote come November, I can't say I'm happy about either candidate. But as to the one I will vote on, I'm not all that confident about his abilities to actually make change that will have long lasting affect on American lives whether for good...or not. We'll know I suppose after four years from the day of the swearing in ceremony.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Very "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" my friend. Bravo.

lol, thanks for putting it in quotes, made it way easier to google 🙂

Originally posted by Bardock42
Probably, it would still be people stealing money from you. I am sure the prison ***** would prefer if Bubba used lube, but in the end he still gets ****ed in the ass.

But what is the alternative to pay for health care, police, firefighters and social programs?