United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Originally posted by sithsaber408
What, that it's a mistake to tax the wealthy and businesses or that my grandfather worked for his living?

1.) Because it's common sense and I listed the reasons above.

2.) Because he told me and I trust him.

I honestly mean no disrespect here, but being a 16 year old kid from another country, I don't think you get or appreciate the story of the American Dream in action.

I'm just saying there are factors you don't know, the story of your uncle sounds like the book "An Inspector Calls".

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Can I have your car? 😉 😆

its a Rover...you don't want it.

Originally posted by sithsaber408

I honestly mean no disrespect here, but being a 16 year old kid from another country, I don't think you get or appreciate the story of the American Dream in action.

Idiocy. The American Dream is a dream of Europeans. Don't be ridiculous.

Originally posted by Strangelove
They don't have to, they choose to in order to protect their profit margins.

Right. But you know they will.

Or do you trust big business companys that much?

If their taxes are raised, they will raise prices/fire people/pay them less.

Middle Americans will get screwed.

Originally posted by lord xyz
No, we British don'thave a dream, like you. Mostly because we're awake.

I'm just saying there are factors you don't know, the story of your uncle sounds like the book "An Inspector Calls".

I don't suppose that book deals with a Hispanic man from the San Francisco bay area who worked at IBM, does it?

Kindly keep quiet.

The point is that he (and many like him) who worked for his living all his life would have to support those who don't, now that he's a success.

That's not the American Dream.

That's foolishness.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Right. But you know they will.

Or do you trust big business companys that much?

If their taxes are raised, they will raise prices/fire people/pay them less.

Middle Americans will get screwed. You didn't even listen. It was my grandfather.

I don't suppose that book deals with a Hispanic man from the San Francisco bay area who worked at IBM, does it?

Kindly keep quiet.

The point is that he (and many like him) who worked for his living all his life would have to support those who don't, now that he's a success.

That's not the American Dream.

That's foolishness.

Yeah, it does suck that he worked his life and then had to pay for other people who don't work, but there are some people who could work, but can't because of poverty and other causes.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Right. But you know they will.

Or do you trust big business companys that much?

If their taxes are raised, they will raise prices/fire people/pay them less.

Middle Americans will get screwed.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Well that's your outlook. Corporations have already had some pretty sweet tax breaks for a few years, and I don't see the prices moving anywhere but up.

So if you tax them, do you think the prices will go down?

Not necessarily. But the argument that taxing them will make prices go up sort of implies that prices were low before.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
What, that it's a mistake to tax the wealthy and businesses or that my grandfather worked for his living?

1.) Because it's common sense and I listed the reasons above.

2.) Because he told me and I trust him.

I honestly mean no disrespect here, but being a 16 year old kid from another country, I don't think you get or appreciate the story of the American Dream in action.

Do you think Americans are better than other people?

Originally posted by Strangelove
Not necessarily. But the argument that taxing them will make prices go up sort of implies that prices were low before.

Personally I am against tax breaks just as much as I am against taxes.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Not necessarily. But the argument that taxing them will make prices go up sort of implies that prices were low before.

I think the argument is that they'll go even higher, which has merit, because the upper-upper class will certainly pass the buck onto the lowers, they didn't get rich by being generous.

But on the flip-side, that "trickle" ideology doesn't seem to be working all that great for us lower scum.

It never did.

Originally posted by Strangelove
It never did.

The Trickle Down effect?

Originally posted by Strangelove
Well that's your outlook. Corporations have already had some pretty sweet tax breaks for a few years, and I don't see the prices moving anywhere but up.

Yes it is, it's a pretty practical outlook too. With prices already moving up, increased taxes will only move them up higher and faster, screwing the middle class.

And losing them jobs as people in businesses are fired or given less pay.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Not necessarily. But the argument that taxing them will make prices go up sort of implies that prices were low before.

No prices weren't lower before.

But taxing will only drive them higher and hurt the common person who is trying to pay a mortgage, keep a job, and put gas in the tank.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Do you think Americans are better than other people?

But I think the idea of working really hard at something and being able to be a success because you have that opportunity to write your own ticket is one of the best ideas that a society has ever had.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think the argument is that they'll go even higher, which has merit, because the upper-upper class will certainly pass the buck onto the lowers, they didn't get rich by being generous.

But on the flip-side, that "trickle" ideology doesn't seem to be working all that great for us lower scum.

But what do we do? Raising taxes won't change that either.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Yes it is, it's a pretty practical outlook too. With prices already moving up, increased taxes will only move them up higher and faster, screwing the middle class.

Originally posted by Strangelove
The Trickle Down effect?

Originally posted by sithsaber408

But what do we do? Raising taxes won't change that either.

I don't have the definite answer, obviously.

But I do like one of Obama's points, he said he would give tax breaks to companies that keep jobs in America, while taxing those that ship their workforce overseas.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yeah.

Originally posted by Strangelove
I believe so, yeah.