United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Started by inimalist143 pages
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Simple. Small independent businesses became large independent corporations and we prospered as the economy grew. Fairly simple, isn't it?

thats hardly a detailed explanation, wouldn't you agree?

I mean, explain it in a way that I couldn't write on the back of my car 😉

Originally posted by inimalist
thats hardly a detailed explanation, wouldn't you agree?

I mean, explain it in a way that I couldn't write on the back of my car 😉

Do you mean bumper sticker? 😕

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you mean bumper sticker? 😕

that would be one way of accomplishing that I guess...

I was thinking nail polish though...

Originally posted by inimalist
that would be one way of accomplishing that I guess...

I was thinking nail polish though...

Do you believe that if you cannot put it into a sound bite, its not worth learning? 😕

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Do you believe that if you cannot put it into a sound bite, its not worth learning? 😕

much the opposite, in fact...

Originally posted by inimalist
much the opposite, in fact...

Ohhhhhhh that was sarcasm. 😂 Sorry for taking you literally. 😉

lol, I never say what I mean

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, I never say what I mean

😂 That explains a lot.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, I never say what I mean

But if you never say what you mean then you don't mean what you just said which is that you never say what you mean, which means that you in fact mean what you say at least sometimes which you might do now then, though that would make this whole argument absurd.

The next sentence is false.

The first sentence is true.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But if you never say what you mean then you don't mean what you just said which is that you never say what you mean, which means that you in fact mean what you say at least sometimes which you might do now then, though that would make this whole argument absurd.

Or he sometimes does mean what he says but is not saying what he means in that post, thus neatly resolving the problem.

i said never though

you can't take never and say that I mean only sometimes

NEVER do I say what I mean

Originally posted by inimalist
i said never though

you can't take never and say that I mean only sometimes

NEVER do I say what I mean

Which is itself a lie. A paradox would only form if the only other option was for you to only speak the truth. Because there's no reason to believe that you must lie only some of the time.

lol, the lie is the paradox. The sentence cannot be true because that would make it false. Whatever you want to extrapolate from there does not make it any less paradoxical.

Originally posted by inimalist
The sentence cannot be true because that would make it false.

True, but the sentence can be false which would not be a paradox. The possiblities of "I never speak the truth" being false are that you always speak the truth (proven untrue by the statement itself) or that you sometimes speak the truth (the logical answer).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
True, but the sentence can be false which would not be a paradox.

true, but wouldn't that be the case with all paradoxes? (paradoxi?)

Originally posted by inimalist
true, but wouldn't that be the case with all paradoxes? (paradoxi?)

No. In the case of the paradox "The following is false. The previous is true." the paradox holds because there are absolutes created by the paradox itself. In the case of the truth teller and the liar, when both claim to be the liar you have a paradox that cannot be resolved for the same reason (unless you assume that the basis of the paradox is a lie and neither person must tell only truth or only lies).

Essentially any paradox that allows anything other than absolutes as an answer can be foiled by pointing that out. A true paradox has to have some sort of inherent contradiction (in the technical sense) built in so that it must always be false.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or he sometimes does mean what he says but is not saying what he means in that post, thus neatly resolving the problem.

There wasn't a problem, it just shot a hole in my reasoning.

ok, that makes more sense

Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'Simple. Small independent businesses became large independent corporations and we prospered as the economy grew. Fairly simple, isn't it?

good. so you have no idea wtf trickle down economics means.

just post a wikipedia link and run.