Originally posted by Strangelove
Source?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_LXb0ZPws
"Just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can constraint the exercise of that right" - Sen. Barack Obama (D - IL)
So if they can do it to the Second Amendement..why not the first as well? Is Obama saying the state or local government can constraint my right to freedom of speech? Because he just did to the second amendment.
Originally posted by KidRock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_LXb0ZPws[B]"Just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can constraint the exercise of that right" - Sen. Barack Obama (D - IL)
So if they can do it to the Second Amendement..why not the first as well? Is Obama saying the state or local government can constraint my right to freedom of speech? Because he just did to the second amendment. [/B]
Snowball effect is not a valid argument without consistent precedent.
Gallup has McCain beating Obama by 3 points today 48% to 45%. It includes polling from Thur- Sat. where a few people hadn't seen McCain's Thur. night speech yet.
Another Gallup poll will be out tomorrow, that will include polling from Fri- Sun, to get a true sense of the measure of McCain's RNC bounce.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110050/Gallup-Daily-McCain-Moves-Ahead-48-45.aspx
Realclearpolitics now has Obama's lead by less than 1%, with a lead of 0.8 when averaging polls.
They include: the Gallup one from thur-Sat, Rasmussen from Thur - Sat, 1 poll from Tue- Thur, 1 from Mon - Wed (before either of the Palin or McCain speeches), and 1 that was from before the RNC even started.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
As I said yesterday, it'll be interesting to see where things sit at this time next week, with a full week out from both conventions and some time for both candidates on the campaign trail.
Currently, things are looking up for Sen. McCain. 👆
Originally posted by BackFire
Him saying this fact doesn't mean he's in favor of doing so.
His supporting of gun bans do say that though.
It is all irrelevant though to those voting Obama in the fall(which is what..90% of this forum?). He can come out and say "I have abolished the first amendment" and his followers will bow to the Messiahs words and find some argument in support of it.
And I do find it quite sad that people will support constraining our rights because "technically..they can do it!"...technically they can rip up the Constitution? Why do we have one then if a politician can just not follow it?
Originally posted by KidRock
And I do find it quite sad that people will support constraining our rights because "technically..they can do it!"...technically they can rip up the Constitution? Why do we have one then if a politician can just not follow it?
It is a fact. Deal with it.
Bush has been doing it steadily since 9/11 and I never have I seen you get upset about our rights at those moments.
Originally posted by chithappens
It is a fact. Deal with it.Bush has been doing it steadily since 9/11 and I never have I seen you get upset about our rights at those moments.
And on the flip side I have seen all the liberals pissed off at how Bush is turning us into a police state and oppressing our rights..but when Obama claims to do it "well, technically they CAN do it".
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Aren't you a Republican? Bush and co have been doing that for the last 8 years.
But Obama is all about CHANGE! Like selecting a Biden, a man that has been in Washington for 30 years..CHANGE!
lol the hypocracy..continues.
edit: And unlike many of you, I believe in my Constitutional rights before a political party affiliation..hell I am registered independent.
Originally posted by KidRock
And on the flip side I have seen all the liberals pissed off at how Bush is turning us into a police state and oppressing our rights..but when Obama claims to do it "well, technically they CAN do it".
When did Obama claim to do it? He has not done anything.
He said he could, not that he has or will.
Originally posted by KidRockedit: And unlike many of you, I believe in my Constitutional rights before a political party affiliation..hell I am registered independent.
Well, that's incredibly egotisical. That, or he can read minds now.
Originally posted by KidRock
But Obama is all about CHANGE! Like selecting a Biden, a man that has been in Washington for 30 years..CHANGE!lol the hypocracy..continues.
What? That has nothing to do with . . . anything.
Let me guess. Bill O'Riley school of debate?
Originally posted by KidRock
edit: And unlike many of you, I believe in my Constitutional rights before a political party affiliation..hell I am registered independent.
So?
Originally posted by chithappens
When did Obama claim to do it? He has not done anything.He said he could, not that he has or will.
His support of the gun bans in Illinois and his support of the Washington DC gun ban say otherwise.
Originally posted by chithappens
Well, that's incredibly egotisical. That, or he can read minds now.
Well when a politician comes out and says "a local government has the right to constrain your Constitutional rights" and the reply is "Deal with it" it says a lot.
Originally posted by KidRock
Well when a politician comes out and says "a local government has the right to constrain your Constitutional rights" and the reply is "Deal with it" it says a lot.
When a politician actually does constrain Constitutional rights and the reply is "deal with it" it says a lot more.
Originally posted by KidRock
His supporting of gun bans do say that though.It is all irrelevant though to those voting Obama in the fall(which is what..90% of this forum?). He can come out and say "I have abolished the first amendment" and his followers will bow to the Messiahs words and find some argument in support of it.
And I do find it quite sad that people will support constraining our rights because "technically..they can do it!"...technically they can rip up the Constitution? Why do we have one then if a politician can just not follow it?
Technically he can do it, though. As Bush can, and has. It's perfectly legal.
And him supporting some gun bans doesn't mean he's against guns.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When a politician actually does constrain Constitutional rights and the reply is "deal with it" it says a lot more.
You forgot: Unless you're a liberal Democrat..then its cool.
Originally posted by BackFire
Technically he can do it, though. As Bush can, and has. It's perfectly legal.And him supporting some gun bans doesn't mean he's against guns.
What? He supports banning guns, but he isnt against guns?
Originally posted by BackFire
He doesn't support banning guns. He supports banning some guns. Specific ones, not all.More baseless hyperbole. What next, he's in favor of infanticide?
Oh.
1. Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban.
2. Ban semi-automatics
Handguns and semi-automatics.
Does Obama suggest I use a Crossbow?