United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Simple. Small independent businesses became large independent corporations and we prospered as the economy grew. Fairly simple, isn't it?

An incredible oversimplification: I'm a wimp and I lift weights to become strong - makes me look like a dick to say anything that way.

It's almost as if you are suggesting that the conservative stance has promoted small business when we all know full well it has not.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Simple. Small independent businesses became large independent corporations and we prospered as the economy grew. Fairly simple, isn't it?

No. In layman's terms, you give large corporations and the rich massive tax cuts/breaks, they in turn spend and spend and it's believed that those benefits of them spending will stimulate the economy and it will "trickle" down to us lower scum in the forms of jobs and whatnot.

well more specifically its tax breaks for the upper class since they are the biggest investors in the stock market. this is supposed to help publicly traded businesses grow, in turn creating more jobs, etc. in other words it has NOTHING to do directly with small business.

edit: also, clinton never employed the supply-side economic theory and in fact reversed the tax policies of reagan-bush. ahhh good ol' sithsaber shooting fresh chunks of excrement out his ass again

However, the philosophies that Reagan et al. focus on do promote small businesses (I mean like Friedman and the like, unless I just read what I want into them, lol). Unfortunatly reality never works that way.

it is understandable that someone might get that confused

Originally posted by Schecter
well more specifically its tax breaks for the upper class since they are the biggest investors in the stock market. this is supposed to help publicly traded businesses grow, in turn creating more jobs, etc. in other words it has NOTHING to do directly with small business.

edit: also, clinton never employed the supply-side economic theory and in fact reversed the tax policies of reagan-bush. ahhh good ol' sithsaber shooting fresh chunks of excrement out his ass again

It doesn't really matter who wins, although I'm pulling for Barry "Barack" Obama because he will just lie, cheat and steal like all the rest.

McCain launched an ad saying that Obama is a celebrity and therefore not electable...because the republicans have never elected celebrities before.

Don't forget Sonny Bono

Here's an article from The New Republic about John McCain's radical position on abortion, despite is perceived "moderate" status.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Don't forget Sonny Bono

Here's an article from The New Republic about John McCain's radical position on abortion, despite is perceived "moderate" status.

Originally posted by lord xyz
I didn't know of him, but yeah. Other celebrities like Kelesy Grammar and Sylvester Stallone support the Republican party, but that's only because they have money.

Bruce Willis is conservative-leaning too, but he's not an avowed Republican.

Guess if you want to be a Republican leader in California, you have to be a celebrity. Much like you want to be a Democrat president, you need to be from Dixieland.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Don't forget Sonny Bono

Here's an article from The New Republic about John McCain's radical position on abortion, despite is perceived "moderate" status.

How is pro-life suddenly radical?

Originally posted by sithsaber408
How is pro-life suddenly radical?

Kinda how slaughtering masses of Indians was suddenly radical a few years back, I guess.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Kinda how slaughtering masses of Indians was suddenly radical a few years back, I guess.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
How is pro-life suddenly radical?

But the point of the article is that McCain is an uncompromising anti-choice flagbearer, despite the appearance of moderation.

Originally posted by Strangelove
On a resolution condemning the vigilante murder of a doctor who performed abortions, McCain was one of only 8 Senators who voted against it. Even current Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell voted for the resolution.

But the point of the article is that McCain is an uncompromising anti-choice flagbearer, despite the appearance of moderation.

Geez, I didn't know that one. Murdering an abortion doctor does nothing to prevent abortions and McCain should've supported that resolution.

That said, McCain's voting record pretty much establishes his position. People's perception of him as moderate on the issue is just that...their perceptions. (his comments about not overturning Roe in the near future notwithstanding, his voting record speaks for itself)

"Murdering an abortion doctor does nothing to prevent abortions" don't conservatives usually think, killing people who disagree is the only way they'll learn? I must say sithsaber, that really shocked me.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Geez, I didn't know that one. Murdering an abortion doctor does nothing to prevent abortions and McCain should've supported that resolution.

That said, McCain's voting record pretty much establishes his position. People's perception of him as moderate on the issue is just that...their perceptions. (his comments about not overturning Roe in the near future notwithstanding, his voting record speaks for itself)

Originally posted by lord xyz
"Murdering an abortion doctor does nothing to prevent abortions" don't conservatives usually think, killing people who disagree is the only way they'll learn? I must say sithsaber, that really shocked me.

Actually no, conservatives only want to kill terrorists on the battlefield or mass murders/child rapists convicted in a court of law.

But thanks son, that was sweet of you.

Also in the article: There were 130 reproductive health-related votes in the Senate that McCain has participated in: McCain voted with the anti-choice crowd in 125 of them.

Moderate my ass.