United States Presidential Election 2008 - Official Discussion Thread

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
What do you mean don't try to pass myself off as an Obama supporter? I AM an Obama supporter in name I guess, I just don't believe in the hype of either of these candidates. I volunteer with the Democrats and I am out there regularly on college campuses in my area encouraging students to come out and vote for him. No I don't like him, but I didn't like John Kerry either but I still spent cold days in October and November knocking on doors for his ass too. So please cut the crap. No I don't think Barack Obama is the second coming of Jesus Christ like many in my party seem to think to the point where you can't even criticize him at all without being cast out and no I don't think he's more experienced than Sarah Palin is and no I don't think he's change we can all believe in but I'll still be out there knocking on doors for him which is more than a lot of his own hardcore supporters can say.

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
Democrat here who hates Obama as well.

Yes, clearly a supporter. Excuse me all to hell for assuming that 'supporter' inherently means 'I don't hate him'. Whacky me.

You're a democratic supporter, there's a difference. You'd support a lump of shit if it had a 'D' next to the name.

I can just imagine the motivation you give those kids on campus -

"Hey, vote Obama"

"Why?"

"He's a democrat"

"I mean besides that?"

"I dunno, I hate him, vote for him though. Hey, where are you going?"

Originally posted by SelinaAndBruce
Also has Joe Biden's latest gaffe been addressed? When is the Obama campaign going to reduce him to script only statements? Soon I hope, lol

Heard them bitching about it on Fox news. Their response was the same thing you said more or less "Well had Palin said this she'd have to drop out of the race, but Biden gets away with it! BIAS".

There's simple reason that Biden can get away with this stuff. It's the same reason McCain can get away with his little gaffes and verbal errors while Obama gets shit for any little mistake he makes: everyone knows him and he's known to shove his foot in his mouth from time to time, he's spent 30 years proving that he knows what he's doing through action. Palin is new and no one knows anything about her, so if she makes a mistake it's obviously going to matter more because people are still forming their first impression of her. Plus she listed being able to see Russia from her local beach as some kind of foreign policy credential. Not relevant to this discussion, just pointing out something inherently idiotic that wasn't 'just a gaffe' but something she actually believes.

Originally posted by Robtard
A little bird told you, because no one is really covering it, just these few:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080923/ap_on_el_pr/biden_mistaken_history
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080923/Biden.Mistaken.History/
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/23/biden-slips-suggests-fdr-was-president-when-market-crashed/
http://whttp://news.aol.com/article/in-gaffe-biden-says-fdr-led-when-market/185879ww.transterrestrial.com/archives/2008/09/another_thing_a.html
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/23/biden-on-fdrs-management-of-the-1929-crash/
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usbide245855558sep24,0,6109928.story
http://www.topix.com/forum/us/TIKHSU80U9JEIPRDF
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/23/in-gaffe-biden-says-fdr-led-when-market-crashed/
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/09/23/america/Biden-Mistaken-History.php
http://www.ksdk.com/news/govt_politics/elections/decision2008/story.aspx?storyid=155701&catid=18
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2008/Sep/23/in_gaffe__biden_says_fdr_led_when_market_crashed.html
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10539397?source=rss
http://www.examiner.com/a-1602756~In_gaffe__Biden_says_FDR_led_when_market_crashed.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/newsflash/index.ssf?/base/politics-18/1222207177293710.xml&storylist=politics
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/23/joe-bidens-gaffes/
http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/election08/articles/2008/09/23/20080923biden0923mistakenhistory.html
List goes on and on.

Edit: Had to remove one, it was a repeat.

Can someone break down to me why this particular thing is important?

Let's not talk about the man's politics. Let's talk about how he misused presidents.

Do you have any clue how many times I can do this with Bush or McCain?

Originally posted by BackFire
Heard them bitching about it on Fox news. Their response was the same thing you said more or less "Well had Palin said this she'd have to drop out of the race, but Biden gets away with it! BIAS".

There's simple reason that Biden can get away with this stuff. It's the same reason McCain can get away with his little gaffes and verbal errors while Obama gets shit for any little mistake he makes: everyone knows him and he's known to shove his foot in his mouth from time to time, he's spent 30 years proving that he knows what he's doing through action. Palin is new and no one knows anything about her, so if she makes a mistake it's obviously going to matter more because people are still forming their first impression of her. Plus she listed being able to see Russia from her local beach as some kind of foreign policy credential. Not relevant to this discussion, just pointing out something inherently idiotic that wasn't 'just a gaffe' but something she actually believes.

Biden didn't really "get away", the story has spread far and wide, his gaffe is more important than the message he was trying to convey.

Oh, if anyone is unaware of what BF is talking about in regards to Palin and the "gaffes" she's said, here's her view of foreign policy experience:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4478156n

Seems that the Governors of any state that border Canada or Mexico also automatically have loads of foreign policy experience?

Edit: They'd probably have more, as they touch and shit.

It really is a retarded point.

I mean, I can see Big Bear Mountain from my porch, doesn't make me an expert on snowboarding.

Originally posted by Robtard

Seems that the Governors of any state that border Canada or Mexico also automatically have loads of foreign policy experience?

shit, why isn't the governor of Hawaii the president then?

thats like a totally other country.

Foreign policy experience? Hell, they can almost see China AND Russia

Originally posted by BackFire
It really is a retarded point.

I mean, I can see Big Bear Mountain from my porch, doesn't make me an expert on snowboarding.

😆

Reminds me of the thread about women. Seeing nipples on Redtube doesn't make you an expert on anything.

Originally posted by inimalist
shit, why isn't the governor of Hawaii the president then?

thats like a totally other country.

Foreign policy experience? Hell, they can almost see China AND Russia

1) She's an unattractive woman
2) She's Jewish
3) She's childless

In short, she's an ugly barren jew, though she would have been a more sensible pick for McCain to go with, since he's 'country first, election 2nd kind of guy.'

Hi!

What is Barack Obama's foreign policy experience? Thanks!

Originally posted by KidRock
Hi!

What is Barack Obama's foreign policy experience? Thanks!

Originally posted by KidRock
Hi!

What is Barack Obama's foreign policy experience? Thanks!

1) See what Bardock42 said above.

2) Is Obama on TV touting about his massive FPE based on trivialities? (He has Biden)

Edit: 3) He's lived in Islamic countries, so it should make you happy to know he has working knowledge of how the "evil doers" think.

Originally posted by KidRock
Hi!

What is Barack Obama's foreign policy experience? Thanks!

Well, what is Bush's? What is McCain's? I'm sure it's more than Barack's, but what good has that done these past eight years?

Originally posted by Robtard
Edit: 3) He's lived in Islamic countries, so it should make you happy to know he has working knowledge of how the "evil doers" think.

he even went to a madrassa!

he is like a shaggy beard short of being a terrrist

Originally posted by inimalist
he even went to a madrassa!

he is like a shaggy beard short of being a terrrist

Originally posted by BackFire
Yes, clearly a supporter. Excuse me all to hell for assuming that 'supporter' inherently means 'I don't hate him'. Whacky me.

You're a democratic supporter, there's a difference. You'd support a lump of shit if it had a 'D' next to the name.

I can just imagine the motivation you give those kids on campus -

"Hey, vote Obama"

"Why?"

"He's a democrat"

"I mean besides that?"

"I dunno, I hate him, vote for him though. Hey, where are you going?"

Heard them bitching about it on Fox news. Their response was the same thing you said more or less "Well had Palin said this she'd have to drop out of the race, but Biden gets away with it! BIAS".

There's simple reason that Biden can get away with this stuff. It's the same reason McCain can get away with his little gaffes and verbal errors while Obama gets shit for any little mistake he makes: everyone knows him and he's known to shove his foot in his mouth from time to time, he's spent 30 years proving that he knows what he's doing through action. Palin is new and no one knows anything about her, so if she makes a mistake it's obviously going to matter more because people are still forming their first impression of her. Plus she listed being able to see Russia from her local beach as some kind of foreign policy credential. Not relevant to this discussion, just pointing out something inherently idiotic that wasn't 'just a gaffe' but something she actually believes.

He just messed up the names and said TV instead of radio. I'm sure afterwards he was like "damn, wtf did I say?". Happens to everyone. Like Obama said he'd been to 57 states. He didn't actually mean that, just a brain fart. I imagine Biden's was the same thing.

Still, saying that you have foreign policy experience because you can see a hunk of Russia is far worse.

Once again another case on which side of the fence a person stands on.

Obama freaks see this as "coward move to buy more time"

Mc Cain nutjobs call this "courageous way to show leadership in a time of crisis"

I see it as just "politics being politics"

Is there a economic crisis happening? Of course there is...you would have to be a complete idiot to say other wise. But is it a crisis worth stopping the debate?

It really would be a matter of opinion. Now, how bad is the crisis? Well, I just read that the Feds took over WaMu. It's been call "In the biggest bank failure in history" I'm incline to think so....bank failures during a shaky economy isn't a joke.

But enough of that...we'll see where this circus will travel next....

True, in his defense, Mr. Roosevelt was the first to do a weekly national address.

FDR also took office during the depression, as it wasn't a one-thing event, it was a series.

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J.P. Morgan bought controlling shares of WaMu.

Originally posted by Robtard
FDR also took office during the depression, as it wasn't a one-thing event, it was a series.

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J.P. Morgan bought controlling shares of WaMu.

Absolutely; it was called the fire-side chats.

JP Morgan swooped in to assume the ownership (likely making them the new biggest bank in history) and protecting the investments of their share-holders. Not at all a bad thing because many of us have money invested in companies of the like. But what aspect of all this that can not be lost is that this isn't just about the bail-out of the super-rich, as has been the talking point of both sides. The little guy, that makes those people super-rich, are effected by this; they're likely the most effected. Who has been lost in all this? The people that owe Washington Mutual money. Why are they the biggest collapse in orld history? Because they bought up the debt of other banks/lenders. When they did, they started offering deals to the folks that owed then money. The same kind of deals that are offered to people that owe on their taxes. They said "you owe 2000 bucks, but if you pay $800 now, we'll forget the difference". The problem is that the money owed is actually $2000. That's money WM had already bought, at a reduced price point, but had actually been spent by the lendee. De-regulation of the market allows for this kind of wheeling and dealing. Washington Mutual buys 2000 bucks worth of debt for 1000 bucks and then temporarily covers their ass by offering an out at 800 and hoping to make up the difference by getting new customers. This is the epitome of the neo-con economic policy. Spend what we don't have on the assumption that we'll have it down the line. Look back at history and you'll find that Democrats are much more conservative when it comes to actual economic policy and implementation than ar ethe Republicans that take credit for the economic upturn that is the result of the liberal policy. Had Mr. Clinton been president for another year, we would have begun paying down the actual national debt for the first time since 1961....when there was another democrat in office. Sadly, Mr. Bush was "elected" and instantly started working at it from the opposite direction.

Originally posted by BackFire
He just messed up the names and said TV instead of radio. I'm sure afterwards he was like "damn, wtf did I say?". Happens to everyone. Like Obama said he'd been to 57 states. He didn't actually mean that, just a brain fart. I imagine Biden's was the same thing.

Still, saying that you have foreign policy experience because you can see a hunk of Russia is far worse.