Mace vs Darth Revan (Takes Place on Malachor V)

Due to the nature of the plant Malachor V I believe this will go in Revan's favor.

or it may strengthen the power of mace vaapad

Originally posted by Icy Ninja
or it may strengthen the power of mace vaapad

I forgot who stated this and I could be wrong but I thought that vaapad does not draw strength from dark energies. Even if it did would Mace be able to control himself with all the dark energy present on Malachor V?

That's the point of Vapaad. It channels both the users own dark side energy, and his enemies, into energy to better himself in combat.

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"Vaapad was also described as "a superconducting loop," with the user on one end and the opponent on the other. It was able to take the powers of the opponent and reflect it back at them. In his fight with Palpatine, Mace Windu used the Chancellor's own speed and hatred against him, reflecting it back against the Sith Lord and using it as his own power. Also, when Palpatine unleashed his Force lightning on Windu, the Jedi was able to use his lightsaber, with the power of Vaapad, to reflect the lightning back at him."

translation: darkside pwnage.

Mace would obviously win a saber duel, a strict force duel goes to Darth Revan and an all out I'm giving to Mace because of his lightsaber skill superiority(Vapaad as well as shatterpoint) and just the overall lack of knowledge of Darth Revan combat capabilities. Though If they were to fight multiple times Revan can win some but overall Mace takes thie majority, so yeah Windu wins.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
translation: darkside pwnage.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Mace would obviously win a saber duel, a strict force duel goes to Darth Revan and an all out I'm giving to Mace because of his lightsaber skill superiority(Vapaad as well as shatterpoint) and just the overall lack of knowledge of Darth Revan combat capabilities. Though If they were to fight multiple times Revan can win some but overall Mace takes thie majority, so yeah Windu wins.

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I highly doubt Mace can utilize Vaapad against the dark side energy of Malachor V, which turned so many jedi over to the dark side and bound them to Revan. He will most likely win a saber duel but a force duel and overall battle are both out of his range.

How many of these Jedi were of Mace's caliber. @_@

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
How many of these Jedi were of Mace's caliber. @_@

It's not about that, it's the fact that it seems his Vaapad is useful against offensive dark side powers. Malachor V presents an enormous miasma of dark side energy like Korriban, so I don't know what Mace's vaapad is going to be able to do.

Considering Mace almost fell to the DS from the jungle on Harrun Kal, which Malachor puts to shame in terms of Dark Side nexus's, I'm sure he'd be SOL on Malachor combating Darth Revan who is a complete powerhouse with the force.

The DS only from the summertime war, which Mace participated in, allowing it to interface with his personality at a much greater rate than a merely dark side place. I remember a statement about how the choices that a Jedi made being the problem, rather than the jungle causing the corruption.

Well Mace is from Harrun Kal, so I'm sure he'd know how to deal with the pressures of the dark side.

Yeah thats why he nearly slaughters an entire squad of Balawi in fit of rage and methodically thinks out how he'll murder each and everyone of them. Thats why he nearly falls to the darkness multiple times during the novel.

Mace if from Harrun Kal sure, but he only went there sparingly and by the end of the novel he absolutely hates the place

revan is too fluid a character to use, we dont know his skill in saber b/c it varies with gameplay, he could be a great grenader and a mediocre swordsman, so i say mace takes all 3

I understand that, but the fact that he nearly committed these acts, rather than going through with them, and remaining true to the Jedi code, is what separates him from the average Jedi. And if the jungles put Malachor V to shame in terms of the presence of the DS, and he didn't fall there, then why would Malachor V pose a bigger threat? If nothing else, he'd be able to handle it easier.

No, no, no Malachor puts the JUNGLES to shame, this is a place that is so tainted with the dark side its ridicules, Revan himself was nearly consumed by the dark power of Malachor when he stepped foot on the planet, Kreia was broken by the planet, and Revan simply summoned up dark side energy from the planet and managed to corrupt countless Jedi to his will. Moreover the sheer amount of death that has taken place on or near Malachor combined with the planet being drenched in dark power makes it one of the most tainted places in the SW galaxy. Mace will fall.

wow so i guess mace's training under yoda and thier access to the jedi archives to know about the past means nothing huh?

also please prove that mace WILL fall.

In kotor 2 a lightside exile had jedi friends who fight on malachor, but do they fall? no

plus in the description of vaapad it is stated that while mace has no power over the darkness, the darkness has no power over him.

furthermore: revan was connected with all those fallen jedi through the force which would make the taint greater on him, mace was not connected with these jedi so can you prove the same will happen to him?

Originally posted by Dr. Styles
No, no, no Malachor puts the JUNGLES to shame, this is a place that is so tainted with the dark side its ridicules, Revan himself was nearly consumed by the dark power of Malachor when he stepped foot on the planet, Kreia was broken by the planet, and Revan simply summoned up dark side energy from the planet and managed to corrupt countless Jedi to his will. Moreover the sheer amount of death that has taken place on or near Malachor combined with the planet being drenched in dark power makes it one of the most tainted places in the SW galaxy. Mace will fall.

wow so i guess mace's training under yoda and thier access to the jedi archives to know about the past means nothing huh?

Ah yeah and that saved from nearly falling to the dark side in a place that would be like a walk in the park as compared to Malachor, oh wait...it didn't. Ya its perfectly normal Jedi like behavior to have inclinations to methodically hunt down and murder others.

also please prove that mace WILL fall.

I was being dramatic, he will however fall to Revan.

In kotor 2 a lightside exile had jedi friends who fight on malachor, but do they fall? no

Actually apparently all of them save for Mira and the droids stayed on the ship. And were given no dialog about each of there internal struggles, only Mira who either can or cannot murder Hanharr. The Exile is a special case.

plus in the description of vaapad it is stated that while mace has no power over the darkness, the darkness has no power over him.

Yeah while he's in his Vaapad trance he has enough control to skirt the dark side and not fall, but to assume that he's suddenly immune to falling to the dark side because of a saber form is rather retarded.

furthermore: revan was connected with all those fallen jedi through the force which would make the taint greater on him, mace was not connected with these jedi so can you prove the same will happen to him?

Sure Mace's willpower may allow him to survive Malachors taint, but does that mean he'll beat Revan on a planet thats utterly drenched in dark side energy for him to feed on? Hells no. That would be like Mace going to Korriban to try and fight the Emperor, complete suicide, Revan would beat Mace with the force on a normal day, adding a damn planet of dark side energy to that is only sever overkill.

IN order for your argument to have any wieght you must quantify the dark side taint on the planet in a concrete manner. remeber revan was already battle hardened by time he go to malachor, quantify how powerful the taint is and how much of a boost the planet gives to sith