Mace vs Darth Revan (Takes Place on Malachor V)

It should be pretty apparent for those who aren't dumb, any small nexus of dark side energy gives any dark side practitioner a boost in power, I don't thinks its any stretch by far to imagine that a single man channeling a nexus the size of a planet would utterly dominate nearly any Jedi he faced.

As I've already stated Revan was off planet and summoned up its raw power to drive countless Jedi into a killing frenzy at once then broke them to his will, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the power concentrated on the planet is tremendous.

The fact that Revan was as you said "battle hardened" when he was nearly consumed by Malachor only helps my argument, as someone who is as strong as Revan in the force (undoubtedly stronger then Mace in the force) was nearly felled by the planet speaks bounds for its power.

As for your shit on the Jedi being connected to him ah: prove it. Its speculated that Revan used force bonding in mass but even if it was true that doesn't take away from Malachors power in breaking Jedi.

!) stop curising, it is uncivilized

2) like revan, the ecile is stated to be able to form bonds through the force, play the kotot games and you will learn

3) again you have no PROOF of HOW MUCH malachor boosts the practicioner do they get a 15% boost? a 60% boost, you have offeced no concrete evidence

4) special case or not the exile is below mace in ability but did he get corrupt on malachor? NO

so again unless you can quantify you are just throwing words

Originally posted by Man of Christ
!) stop curising, it is uncivilized

2) like revan, the ecile is stated to be able to form bonds through the force, play the kotot games and you will learn

3) again you have no PROOF of HOW MUCH malachor boosts the practicioner do they get a 15% boost? a 60% boost, you have offeced no concrete evidence

4) special case or not the exile is below mace in ability but did he get corrupt on malachor? NO

so again unless you can quantify you are just throwing words

No percentage is needed. The fact is Mace will not received any help besides his saber style which we can't say for sure how much that will benefit him here.

Even if Mace is able to resist for how long? This will not be a quick battle.

Originally posted by Kotor3
No percentage is needed. The fact is Mace will not received any help besides his saber style which we can't say for sure how much that will benefit him here.

Even if Mace is able to resist for how long? This will not be a quick battle.

a percentage is needed because for all is known, revan could be only1/4 as strong as siddious with the MC5 only raising him to 1/2 as strong as siddious. so it DOES need to be quantified

I will leave Revan out for now because nothing about him seems to be accepted as canon except for the fact that he existed.

Instead of making a whole new thread I will switch Revan for one of his students who we do have info on. Bane at his peak.

Something of note if Mace was to fall to the dark side would that make him stronger or weaker?

given his aggressive saber style IF he went DS he would probably go the way of pre-suit vader but much better because he has had more years to hone his saber style then anakin had

!) stop curising, it is uncivilized

Maybe if you were smarter I'd be more civilized, but: your not, so there goes that. And you normally start list with a 1, not an exclamation mark.

2) like revan, the ecile is stated to be able to form bonds through the force, play the kotot games and you will learn

I'm being lectured about KOTOR and you can't even spell the acronym or Exile right...theres a spellcheck on this forum for a reason dipshit.

No, nublet Revan is SPECULATED to have formed bonds through the force, with the only concrete evidence being Mical, HK and the masters saying he studied the bonding ability, which is no surprise considering KOTOR 1 tells us Revan was a prodigy and studied everything and Kreia speculating force manipulation. In other words who gives a shit, it has no relevance on the topic at hand as this from the chronicles prove:

"Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence."

Not Revan's bonding, the planet, and not even the actual planet it was Revan summoning up dark side energy.

3) again you have no PROOF of HOW MUCH malachor boosts the practicioner do they get a 15% boost? a 60% boost, you have offeced no concrete evidence

I don't need proof idiot. Its a simple logical deduction to assume that um: A PLANET of dark side energy would would empower and already overpowered darksider to even higher levels. I'm sorry your to stupid to do this on your own and need imaginary statistics to do it for you, but thats your problem not mine. Bane was able to use the fear from three people to give him enough dark power to stave off a fatal poison, use your pathetic little head and assume that he had a PLANET to feed off of.

4) special case or not the exile is below mace in ability but did he get corrupt on malachor? NO

A. It's she moron

B. She is a special case, as I said, not to mention its unspecified as to just how powerful she is at that point in the game, and while she is probably below Mace in saber ability, I find it to be no stretch for her to be above him in the force.

C. Mace isn't the Exile, Mace NEVER went through anything as close to what the Exile did, Mace NEVER felt the deaths of hundreds of Jedi and thousands of troops all slaughtered at once, Mace has NEVER lived without the force, Mace couldn't bring himself to kill Dooku on Geonosis cause they used to be "friends", what makes you think his willpower is anything near a woman who voluntarily cut herself off from the force? As I've said the jungles of Harrun Kal nearly broke him, your seriously expecting me to believe that this man is going to survive an encounter with Darth Revan on a plant size dark side nexus, get real ass clown.

Without the cursing Dr. Styles made some very good points that I have not seen an argument for. I mention Bane to make this easier for you Man of Christ but Dr. Styles brought a good point with Bane.

Man of Christ if all you are going to do is say everything is speculative then you are definitely wrong and you lose by default if you have no argument for Mace.

Lets get to the important part. Malachor's boost is purely speculative. because you cannot concretely prove how much of a boost is offered dr styles you would rather rant and bash which holds no logical soundness.

you have no way of proving how strong the exile or revan are, they are too unknown and so is the dark energy boost

Please knock off the insults, Dr. Styles. There is no need for them here.

Originally posted by Dr. Styles

No, nublet Revan is SPECULATED to have formed bonds through the force, with the only concrete evidence being Mical, HK and the masters saying he studied the bonding ability, which is no surprise considering KOTOR 1 tells us Revan was a prodigy and studied everything and Kreia speculating force manipulation. In other words who gives a shit, it has no relevance on the topic at hand as this from the chronicles prove:

Isn't Kreia a fallble third party character who's been proven to have a hard on for Revan?

Originally posted by Man of Christ
a percentage is needed because for all is known, revan could be only1/4 as strong as siddious with the MC5 only raising him to 1/2 as strong as siddious. so it DOES need to be quantified

Was there ever any percentage given as to how much the SF boosted Malak? If not, I guess it didn't really happen, did it?

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Was there ever any percentage given as to how much the SF boosted Malak? If not, I guess it didn't really happen, did it?

my point was there is no way to know how much of a boost is given and to that matter, how much more powerful it makes the sith. there are too many unknowns to yield a definite answer in favor of the sith

If its the dark power of a PLANET, it would certainly be considerable, or else it wouldn't be worth mentioning.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
If its the dark power of a PLANET, it would certainly be considerable, or else it wouldn't be worth mentioning.

it could be a planet full of weaklings which added together dont account for much so still no way to quantify

OK, then if that's what you believe, then prove it. You keep telling us to substantiate and quantify our claims, but you're not doing anything. Are you familiar with Malachor V at all? If not, look it up and then tell us if you still think its weak.

i beat kotor 2 at least 5 or 6 times, and have read about malachor and the gravity well and the shadow generator etc.

burden of proof is on you to prove that he is boosted enough to beat mace since you made the claim. YOu must quantify. all you can say is "he gets stronger" how much stronger?

5% 10% 30% who knows?

Originally posted by Man of Christ
i beat kotor 2 at least 5 or 6 times, and have read about malachor and the gravity well and the shadow generator etc.

burden of proof is on you to prove that he is boosted enough to beat mace since you made the claim. YOu must quantify. all you can say is "he gets stronger" how much stronger?

5% 10% 30% who knows?

Since you like statistics, why don’t you tell us the exact power level of Mace so we can make number comparisons? Unless you can prove otherwise dark energies affect light users whether small or large.

Next is Revan is a powerhouse, unless you can prove otherwise. We are talking about exactly how the story of Kotor refers to Revan which is canon. The writers of Kotor express Revan to be powerful as a light and dark user.

Malachor V is a planet size storehouse of dark energies. No one needs to state how that is powerful. The sentence itself shows that. You have to prove how a planet size storehouse of dark energies will no do a lot of damage to a light user.

We have only two examples of light users who step on Malachor V and did not immediately go to the dark side, Revan and the exile.

Unless Mace turns to the dark side I do not see him being able to contend with Revan in these circumstances.