Asgardian Destroyer vs Juggernaut

Originally posted by psycho gundam
classic levels of the both of them were pretty much deadlocked in strength. juggernaut actually believed that stealing thor's hammer would give him the advantage against him.

.... wrong and irrelevant

wrong and irrelevant

he can turn his shield on anytime he wants, and keep it up for that matter. the thing is, a magical barrier can negate that feature. simple as that.

When did Cain ever try to steal Mjolnir? Cain always shrugged blows from that hammer off with a smile. Mjolnir has never hurt him out of the three times they fought.

he tried to lift it and quickly found out that his soul was full of fail.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he tried to lift it and quickly found out that his soul was full of fail.

Doesn't mean he saw it as the way to beat him. He owned it with him during their first fight by riding it back into his face.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he tried to lift it and quickly found out that his soul was full of fail.

Originally posted by jalek moye
I honestly don't even even know why he would think he would be able to lift it

Cain more than likely didn't know about the enchantment on it.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Cain more than likely didn't know about the enchantment on it.

Originally posted by jalek moye
hmm i always figured he could like sense when objects are magical or somthing.

Not that I know of. I know he can sense when and who the telepath is who is messing with him. If he can sense magical objects then that doesn't mean he can sense the exact properties and what it does.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Doesn't mean he saw it as the way to beat him. He owned it with him during their first fight by riding it back into his face.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
classic levels of the both of them were pretty much deadlocked in strength. juggernaut actually believed that stealing thor's hammer would give him the advantage against him.

.... wrong and irrelevant

wrong and irrelevant

he can turn his shield on anytime he wants, and keep it up for that matter. the thing is, a magical barrier can negate that feature. simple as that.

just curious, why is it any more relevant when you stated it about the destroyer? and actually, both are fact on panel for the juggernaut also.

has the destroyer or anybody been shown to be able to negate juggernauts power really? dr strange stated he couldnt separate the bonds between cain and the magic. i doubt the destroyer could fair any better.

thor did it once, but for 30 seconds. to which juggernaut instantly healed when he got his magic back.

IF you cut the power off completely you have a normal man. and the power would go to somebody else. this was rescently revealed in excaliber. which is one of the reasons why cains power was diminishing.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i hate scanning by the way.

Thats when his invulnerability was tied into his FF. Notice how he said F' it, I don't need it to beat you after he realized he couldn't. See how Cain is relying on his FF to protect him from a punch? The writer thought that was why he is invulnerable.

Originally posted by KillAll

IF you cut the power off completely you have a normal man. and the power would go to somebody else. this was rescently revealed in excaliber. which is one of the reasons why cains power was diminishing.

Cain's power was diminishing because he was using it for good. If Thor really did cut him off from all of his powers then Cain would've instantly turned into an old man.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Cain's power was diminishing because he was using it for good. If Thor really did cut him off from all of his powers then Cain would've instantly turned into an old man.

that and because cyttorak wanted a new avatar. somewhere else to stick the magic lol...

and of coarse he didnt cut off all his power. just alot of it. he obviously still had some strength. enough to still put thor on his butt (another reason to assume juggernaut is still stronger, without a portion of his magic, he is still able to withstand thors barage of punchs and put thor down).

juggernaut claimed that his strength was easily thor's equal, that can be translated to when being at his lowest, it's the same as thor possesses (according to him (he gloats a lot), but obviously NOT by much as seen throughout the fight.

the destroyer tools thor when they fought, only one (classic thor) thor got a sick combo on him and quickly bfr'd him. without bfr the destroyer would have mauled him again. thor and juggy are around the same strength so imo the dread destroyer would beat him down just the same.

and thor only had to ditch the vortex due to his reliance on mjolnir to keep him thor, the destroyer doesn't have to worry about reverting to a mortal after 60 seconds, he would keep beating him till there was nothing left.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
juggernaut claimed that his strength was easily thor's equal, that can be translated to when being at his lowest, it's the same as thor possesses (according to him (he gloats a lot), but obviously NOT by much as seen throughout the fight.

the destroyer tools thor when they fought, only one (classic thor) thor got a sick combo on him and quickly bfr'd him. without bfr the destroyer would have mauled him again. thor and juggy are around the same strength so imo the dread destroyer would beat him down just the same.

and thor only had to ditch the vortex due to his reliance on mjolnir to keep him thor, the destroyer doesn't have to worry about reverting to a mortal after 60 seconds, he would keep beating him till there was nothing left.

that was 8th day juggy iirc.

thor was trying to stop juggernaut while he was compelled to power the god engine.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that was 8th day juggy iirc.

thor was trying to stop juggernaut while he was compelled to power the god engine.

You're mistaken. Thor fought 8th Day Juggernaut in Thor v2 #17. It's been mentioned by two writers that those at Marvel say Juggernaut is able to increase his strength.

anyone have a scan of that?

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Thor #411 and 412 thor get beat down with ease by Juggernaut. Juggernaut knocks him out, then takes the full power of thors god blast (which at that time was powerful enough to drive galactus back), and isn't effected in the slightest. They had to BFR juggernaut because Thor + The New Warriors were getting beat down with the ease. So i think writing that he was thors equal in strength was just an accident. Of course Thors strenght has varied greatly so who knows... :😖hrugs::

Thor was afflicted by a weakness at the time. By his showings on that fight (him barely being able to lift the train car Jugz threw at him), his strength was diminished by a LOT. God blast would have also been much weaker as the God blast IS linked to his life force.

no, when thor fired the god blast he stated that his strength had returned, or that the illness had left his limbs (as in it was now gone). dont remember. so his god blast wouldnt have been weakened.

there is nothing to state that juggernauts power was altered in 8th day either. he looked completely normal. he just acted different.

anybody got a scan of destroyer stopping magical abilities from being recieved??? if so i'd like to see it. until then i dont think it has shown the ability to stop cain from recieving the juggernaut power.

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Thor #411 and 412 thor get beat down with ease by Juggernaut. Juggernaut knocks him out, then takes the full power of thors god blast (which at that time was powerful enough to drive galactus back), and isn't effected in the slightest. They had to BFR juggernaut because Thor + The New Warriors were getting beat down with the ease. So i think writing that he was thors equal in strength was just an accident. Of course Thors strenght has varied greatly so who knows... :😖hrugs::

Destroyer 6/10. He has exotic abilities as well, not just forceblasts and stuff.