Originally posted by fangirl101
I'm sure. Now prove that Thanos could avoid or escape the lasso. Get around Wondy and Thor's energy redirecting abilities, and survive that Godforce blast.
For the so overated Godblast, here's the answer:
http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=omega57dl.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=galactus35rc.jpg
(After this, Galactus have to exert himself to pierce Thanos forcefield. GALACTUS!!!)
For the lasso:
http://img239.imageshack.us/my.php?image=thor8uf.jpg
(Take note that this is a feeble Thanos clone. The Thanos clone lost this fight. The real Thanos hang out in Daddy's court, not in the mere "herald lvler" class)
Or this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/thanos2i.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/thanos2ii.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/thanos2iii.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/ThanosNovaCorps-2.jpg
It is simple. You your self said unless it's stated how fast the character is going we can't assume. It DOES NOT state how fast Zoom was going in this instance. So we have WW throwing a lasso at an intermined speed at another character of an intermined speed and you call that a speed blitz.
It doesn't matter exactly how fast Zoom was going, what matters is that he was using superspeed, yet Wonder Woman was able to react and counter it. It's that simple.
Meaningless to you. At least this gives some indication of speed and time. And unless you can prove he didn't break out in a nano second it stands as proof.
I already said why this doesn't stand as solid proof.
Do you want me to repeat it ? Ok.
Since we only have his word here, not one quantifiable combat showing to back this up, not to mention that it's contradicted by other instances, it's obviously a hyperbole.
Thank you, so by your logic Thor is capable of speedblitzing.
No it isn't, because I already explained that what Thor did isn't comparable to Wonder Woman.
Do you want me to repeat this also ? Ok.
What Wonder Woman did implied coordonation, reaction and speed, since Zoom was actually moving, while Thor throwing Mjolnir at FTL implies .. well .. throwing.
You mean the one of Surfer hitting Nova so fast he thinks it's an energy blast. Yup unquantifiable speeds just like your WW speed lasso blitz.
No, not the Nova one, it's this one :
http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1935/silversurfer199003316ik9.jpg
I even quoted it and told you it's this one that I was talking about.
Which you failed at. And I don't know where your getting that I said Thanos fights or moves at lightspeed, he doesn't have to because of his reaction time. Which I and many others have proved.
I proved that Wonder Woman can speedblitz, which is what you asked me.
I asked you to provide impressive Thanos combat speed feats, which you weren't capable of.
The only superspeed I saw was from Zoom. And again it didn't state how fast either were going so how is that proof?
Since Zoom was using superspeed, and yet Wonder Woman was still able to laso him, it means that she also has superspeed, thus be able to blitz. Is it that hard ?
So why are you trying to pass off WW tagging Zoom as proof of speed. It's completely hypocritical. Your trying to say that her throwing the lasso around Zoom means she's fast.You tried to use this to your advantage and when I do the same it's wrong? erm
Unlike the Thanos/Surfer battle, it is both shown and stated that Zoom was using superspeed, so yes, the battle is proof of Wonder Woman's speed.
And this had nothing to do with the Zoom/WW point. I was proving that using Thanos tagging Surfer as proof that he is that fast is meaningless.
This is getting pretty idiotic, you are dodging arguements and ignoring others. So unless you have something to contribue to the discussion like scans, or even a coherent argument, let me know. Until then, stop wasting my time 🙂
Thanos tagged Surfer when he was shown as 'moving'.
He also blocked Fallen One from coming near him.
I just don't see Thanos getting too surprised here by way of combat speed when they start off facing each other. And I don't know about WW, but Thor can't really do anything to Thanos... unless Current does something out of Classic Thor's level...
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Thanos tagged Surfer when he was shown as 'moving'.
He also blocked Fallen One from coming near him.I just don't see Thanos getting too surprised here by way of combat speed when they start off facing each other. And I don't know about WW, but Thor can't really do anything to Thanos... unless Current does something out of Classic Thor's level...
Thanos may be surprised if he goes to take Thor out first and Wondy pulls a reverse attack like she did against DS.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Moving how fast ?
From the way that panel was drawn, he first put up the 'shield' to prevent Fallen One from attacking him, and then Fallen One charged at him.I do see Thanos surprised here, since apparently the only combat speed feats that Thanos has are ambigous 😬
If I had to guess, I'd say warpspeed... really, that question doesn't have an answer just like 99% of speed feats. He was moving on his board to attack Thanos, and Thanos uppercutted him.
Even if that's true. Then he puts up his shield as soon as he sees the opponents on the other side of the field. He's done so to Thor; why not Thor and someone else.
Ambiguity is pretty much every feat in comics. Hell, if we don't use that, then WW can only travel at the speed of sound.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
If I had to guess, I'd say warpspeed... really, that question doesn't have an answer just like 99% of speed feats. He was moving on his board to attack Thanos, and Thanos uppercutted him.
Even if that's true. Then he puts up his shield as soon as he sees the opponents on the other side of the field. He's done so to Thor; why not Thor and someone else.Ambiguity is pretty much every feat in comics. Hell, if we don't use that, then WW can only travel at the speed of sound.
It's not really a convincing speed feat .. 😬
I don't know for sure if it's true, which is why I edited my post. On second look, it does seem as if the first portion of the page showing the shield before Fallen One attacks is just an extension of the panel where Thanos is shown using it. Still, I don't find it that impressive to be honest, since Fallen One was standing right in front of him, with Thanos obviously knowing that he would attack him, which he did at an unknown speed.
Yes, many of them are ambigous, but at least most of them clearly illustrate combat super-speed, unquantifiable as it may be. Him punching Surfer while he was coming at him with his board and protecting himself with a shield against Fallen One isn't really that impressive, at least to me.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaIt's a reaction feat. Convincing or not. I mean, Surfer intended to kill him, and he usually attacks pretty fast when on his board.
It's not really a convincing speed feat .. 😬
I don't know for sure if it's true, which is why I edited my post. On second look, it does seem as if the first portion of the page showing the shield before Fallen One attacks is just an extension of the panel where Thanos is shown using it. Still, I don't find it that impressive to be honest, since Fallen One was standing right in front of him, with Thanos obviously knowing that he would attack him, which he did at an unknown speed. Still better than what he displayed against the Surfer though.Yes, many of them are ambigous, but at least most of them clearly illustrate combat super-speed, unquantifiable as it may be. Him punching Surfer while he was coming at him with his board and protecting himself with a shield against Fallen One isn't really that impressive, at least to me.
Anyway, my opinion on the famous Fallen One feat. Fallen One was taking off the exact same way, with the exact same illustration in every scene he was shown that way. He also traveled from Galactus's world ship to Thanos's ship (It was said that teleporting falls far short, and the hyperdrive eats too much time to get to Galactus's ship) in what if we follow pages; 3 with focus on Glads talking. And apparently, he can move at warp speed according to Nova files (haven't read it in a while, so meh). Then you add in Fallen One's motives, and the fact that you travel faster in a straight line then zig-zags or what not (and throw out that the stars were streaking), and ya, he was traveling pretty fast, and Thanos reacted before he could do anything.
But meh.
OK.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
And Sentry held a Cosmic Cube in his, but was dumped on his ass by King Hulk... the DC hyperbole needs to stop. By feats alone I have seen Superman's heart stopped by Doomsday Rex, and if Doomsday Rex was 1 million times stronger than Thor the punch that stopped Kals heart would have caused an earthquake that would have shook the entire United States, Canada, and Mexico causing a tsunami with global threatening effects. This is what it would be like to be 1,000,000x stronger than Thor.Superman, like Gladiator have been dealt with by guys less than Thanos, in power. h1a8 I'm beginning to believe that you are serious about this 1,000,000 x stronger rubbish that your trying to sell everyone.
So we are now all supposed to throw out what is stated in comics to suit our own beliefs? When has Wonder Woman ever shifted a continent under her own power? When has she ever hit the ground with her own fists and caused a 10 on the Richter scale? When has she ever stomped her foot once and nearly tore the east coast off?
h1a8, before you decide to post such and such, perhaps you should take into account what the writers are saying about their own copy written characters, and stop making up stories, to inflate your favorite characters, because if any of what you said was true, judging by feats alone... Batman kick would topple Galactus, because after all it made Darkseid bleed, and since Darkseid is above Wonder Woman............
WW has done a feat(s) far more astronomical than anything that Thor has done. Remember I don't make up numbers my friend. I'm a mathematician. For I prove.
Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
It's a reaction feat. Convincing or not. I mean, Surfer intended to kill him, and he usually attacks pretty fast when on his board.
It is an extension, but it doesn't matter if Thanos does put his shield up right away. Exactly, standing right in front of him. These two will be standing right in front of him, and Thanos will know that they will attack him.Anyway, my opinion on the famous Fallen One feat. Fallen One was taking off the exact same way, with the exact same illustration in every scene he was shown that way. He also traveled from Galactus's world ship to Thanos's ship (It was said that teleporting falls far short, and the hyperdrive eats too much time to get to Galactus's ship) in what if we follow pages; 3 with focus on Glads talking. And apparently, he can move at warp speed according to Nova files (haven't read it in a while, so meh). Then you add in Fallen One's motives, and the fact that you travel faster in a straight line then zig-zags or what not (and throw out that the stars were streaking), and ya, he was traveling pretty fast, and Thanos reacted before he could do anything.
But meh.OK.
He was blasting Thanos while coming twoards him on the board and still having time to have a verbal exchange. Nothing makes me belive that the speed with which he was coming twoards Thanos is that high so that Thanos tagging him would be impressive combat-speed feat.
My opinion on the Fallen one scene is that Thanos put up the shield either at the same time or shortly before Fallen One tried the charge at Thanos, due to the fact that Thanos most likely predicted the attack beforehand, thus the glowing-eye thingy pre-charge. I don't belive that Fallen One charged at the warp speed and mid-charge Thanos put up the shield. This scene is mostly up to interpretation of the panels since nothing else is stated so .. yeah.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Nice, but didn't The Hulk recently hold a planet together all by himself? Didn't Thor lift the Midgard Serpent all by himself? Did Gladiator not destroy a planet with his fists? Those scans are impressive, but you can't deny that Marvel characters have equal amounts of impressive feats.For those that are unaware of Supermans flight capability, he braces himself and allows his flight to do the rest, this is not a true strength feat. In D.O.T.N.G he would have be killed by two colliding planets, but was teleported out of the way before impact, and even that knocked him out.
So what we have here are high feats, mixed with low ones. Yet he can survive a black hole? Something just doesn't make sense. I need to bring it up one more time. Batman kicked Darkseid and made him bleed, now this is a guy that has gone toe to toe with Superman. Is Batman now superhuman? Yet he got broken by Bane???
If we were to go on feats, Superman was taken down by less guys than the mindless Hulk swatted away years ago. What's my point? Marvel and DC heros are on par with each other.
Holding a planet together is super shitty compared to towing Earth and the moon. Thor's serpent feat is wack as the serpent was in ethereal form. He gains mad credit though for lifting the head (which materialized) though. Gladiator's feat is great too, but WW's is better.
And it wasn't Batman alone that made Darkseid bleed. Batman used a plot device. Get your facts straight.
D.C. >>>Marvel on Average. This is the truth.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaThanos was blocking energy blasts with his hand after they were fired... 😖hifty:
He was blasting Thanos while coming twoards him on the board and still having time to have a verbal exchange. Nothing makes me belive that the speed with which he was coming twoards Thanos is that high so that Thanos tagging him would be impressive combat-speed feat.My opinion on the Fallen one scene is that Thanos put up the shield either at the same time or shortly before Fallen One tried the charge at Thanos, due to the fact that Thanos most likely predicted the attack beforehand, thus the glowing-eye thingy pre-charge. I don't belive that Fallen One charged at the warp speed and mid-charge Thanos put up the shield. This scene is mostly up to interpretation of the panels since nothing else is stated so .. yeah.
I doubt it was put up before Fallen One charged, as he would have seen the shield he was about to charge into, and then start his attack. It's be like looking at a brick wall, and then charging at it. But if said brick wall popped up while you were a foot away...
And of course Thanos knew he was going to fight. And his eyes almost always glow when he's mad.
He most likely didn't travel at warpspeed (I don't even remember reading that he could travel at this speed, unless it's in his Nova Corps file), but put up mid-charge is what we're led to believe.
Either way, more than likely, Thanos's shield will be up as soon as this battle starts, so all's irrelevant.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Are u totally insane? What a load of nonsense. WM thor being amped only 1 percent? As i said u obviously have NOT read the arc because thanos states that thor is greatly tapping into the power of the gem. You really r ridiculous. Saying those with the PG lose in no way adds to ur argument but just shows that u really dont have one.Now it gets to the really ridiculous part. Wonderwoman a million times stronger than classic thor? Are u alright? Wonderwoman is not even close ot being twice as strong. Frankly there are many people who think classic thor is stronger than Wonderwoman and im quite sure that absolutely no one believes that wonderwoman is even close to being as strong as Warrior Mad thor with the PG., where u r getting ur nonsense from is known only to u. WW has absolutely NO chance of getting thru those shields. Thanos does not even need to use shields because of his high durability level.
Wonderwoman will not be koing thanos, when a WM thor with power gem using Mjolnir couldnt. WM thor with PG being stronger than WW is not evendebatable so i will just drop that issue.
Now for ur next point. Thanos using encasement without the gun contradicts nothing. He used encasement with the gun in his fight against thor and used it without the gun in his fight against Odin in the same arc. All it shows is that thanos had added that ability to his powerset. No contradiction. Also my reasons for questioning WW ability to speedblitz are different from ur reasons for questioning thanos using encasement. As i have proven above thanos using encasement without the gun is no contradiction at all. Also thanos continuously adds to his powers and that particular power was one he newly added in that arc. Now my reason for saying Wonderwoman is not going to be blitzing anyone is NOT because she is hardly seen doing it but because she is NEVER seen doing it. U see the difference.
Ur next part about thanos being a pillow man and having the same physical hardness as hulk is to ridiculous to even respond to.
LOL at u saying people have bias when u have in the past stated that supes could take odin and r now arguin that WW can take thanos. Thanos has and will beat thor silly. The same goes for WW. He takes this easy via instant encasement and subsequent obliteration through blasts or Mind rape or molecular manip .
I didn't make up the more than 1 million times stronger. I based this off feats and math. Even a small stunning tap that's repeated fast enough (like Ryu's short kick) can ko Thanos. But isn't it still hypocritical for Thanos to be able to use encasement when he hasn't done it enough times ala WW not using speedblitz. And are you crazy? WW has speedblitzed before, several times in fact from what I can remember. She may have been clearly shown doing it only a few times but to say never is ridiculous.
Also since everyone here on this entire site is using inference in their arguments then one can easily infer that WW can speedblitz solely based off her incredible speed, skill, and reflexes without ever seeing her speedblitz. This is a no brainer.
And Superman can take Odin easily through speed everytime. I don't care if the world argues against me on this. Speed is the king and will always be. And WW does the same to Thanos (but using the tiara and lasso for extra's).
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Thor can throw Mjorlinir ftl. And a Thanos CLONE stop it with a mere gesture (force field).And maybe Thanos can't move ftl, but his reflex are insane enough to permit him to follow with eyes contact someone who move that fast.
It takes Thor eternity for him to build up enough speed to throw the hammer at the speed of light (he can't do ftl throws).
Originally posted by h1a8Ow.
When and where did Thanos say that Thor was greatly tapping the PG? Because I own the comic as well as many other Thor comics and I didn't see it.I didn't make up the more than 1 million times stronger. I based this off feats and math. Even a small stunning tap that's repeated fast enough (like Ryu's short kick) can ko Thanos. But isn't it still hypocritical for Thanos to be able to use encasement when he hasn't done it enough times ala WW not using speedblitz. And are you crazy? WW has speedblitzed before, several times in fact from what I can remember. She may have been [B]clearly shown
doing it only a few times but to say never is ridiculous.Also since everyone here on this entire site is using inference in their arguments then one can easily infer that WW can speedblitz solely based off her incredible speed, skill, and reflexes without ever seeing her speedblitz. This is a no brainer.
And Superman can take Odin easily through speed everytime. I don't care if the world argues against me on this. Speed is the king and will always be. And WW does the same to Thanos (but using the tiara and lasso for extra's). [/B]
I feel my brain cells being killed off.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
....Hmmmm. When people say superman speedblitz for da win, what do they normally mean? Superman hitting an opponent multiple times b4 the opponent can react. The same goes for the flash and all other characters who normally blitz in comics. Going by how the term is normally used on this forum, blitzing is not just getting a quick hit in on ur opponent b4 they can react but is a continuous action. What ur describing is closer to how the term "bullrush" is used. LOL at the pathetic insult attempts.
No! One must only be fast enough to hit someone once. Because they can simply add on hits to produce a combo. Now many characters (especially Thor) is seen 1 or 1-2ing someone and stopping. If Thor continues to hit without letting up then he too (with his slow arse) can combo someone. So the criteria for a speedblitz is to blitz an attack in before someone can respond.
A Bullrush done before the opponent can respond and in which more hits are added before the opponent recovers (a combo) =Speedblitz.
