Originally posted by h1a8
When and where did Thanos say that Thor was greatly tapping the PG? Because I own the comic as well as many other Thor comics and I didn't see it.I didn't make up the more than 1 million times stronger. I based this off feats and math. Even a small stunning tap that's repeated fast enough (like Ryu's short kick) can ko Thanos. But isn't it still hypocritical for Thanos to be able to use encasement when he hasn't done it enough times ala WW not using speedblitz. And are you crazy? WW has speedblitzed before, several times in fact from what I can remember. She may have been [B]clearly shown
doing it only a few times but to say never is ridiculous.Also since everyone here on this entire site is using inference in their arguments then one can easily infer that WW can speedblitz solely based off her incredible speed, skill, and reflexes without ever seeing her speedblitz. This is a no brainer.
And Superman can take Odin easily through speed everytime. I don't care if the world argues against me on this. Speed is the king and will always be. And WW does the same to Thanos (but using the tiara and lasso for extra's). [/B]
Read through the comic again, im sure u will see it. And from ur assumptions about thor i doubt u own as many thor comics as u claim.
I cant believe ur seriously still saying wonderwoman is one million times stronger than thor. I really have no need to reply this because it is just totally ridiculous. As for wonderwoman speedblitzing, I hopoe u hve bin reading the last few pages. You say u can remeber her speedblitzing numerous times and yet u have provided no proof of it. The only examples that have bin provided have bin laughable examples of wonderwoman throwing her lasso on beings and ramming into them. 😱 These have been equated to speedblitzes. How foolish. Thor has hit a moving SS with his hammer b4 so i guess it must have been a speedblitz. My statement that Wonderwoman has never speedblitzed b4 is further being strengthened by the inability of any of the wonderwoman supporters to provide any reasonably useful evidence to the contrary. I mean showing her throwing her lasso and ramming into people is the best that u could come up with? 🙄
Im not being hypocritical at all, All im asking for is at least one scan of wonderwoman doing what many here have claimed she is capable of. So far howver not one useful scan has bin provided. I never brought into question the frequency of her usage of this tactic., all i asked was a scan of her doing so.
I have no problems admitting that wonderwoman can speedblitz it is just that when it comes to a very controversial matter like battlespeed hard evidence of it must be provided.
As for the inference thing, If u read through silver surfer superman arguements u will see that arguments that claim SS must have battle speed because of his dodging of lasers are nearly always countered by arguements sayying that SS has never shown this speed in actual physicalconfrontations against other beings.
Really ur superman can take odin arguement also does not evn deserve a reply so ill just ignore it.
Originally posted by h1a8
No! One must only be fast enough to hit someone once. Because they can simply add on hits to produce a combo. Now many characters (especially Thor) is seen 1 or 1-2ing someone and stopping. If Thor continues to hit without letting up then he too (with his slow arse) can combo someone. So the criteria for a speedblitz is to blitz an attack in before someone can respond.A Bullrush done before the opponent can respond and in which more hits are added before the opponent recovers (a combo) =Speedblitz.
Completely false. There is a very big difference between having the ability to hit someone once before they react and having the ability to continuosly hit a person numerous times b4 they react. These abilities are NOT interchangeable. U of all people should know this. The reason characters like thor can be seen hitting a person once before they react without adding more hits on is because they do not have the neccessary speed to initiate more attacks b4 the person reacts. Im sure u believe that flight speed and combat speed are not the same. A character like SS can easily charge an opponent at high speeds and hit them B4 they react and the same can be said for thor. Howver SS and thor are not as adept at adding on more hits like punches or other physical attacks.
Evn ur own definitions contradict themselves. U say that u only need to hit an opponent once for a speedblitz yet u say that a bullrush in which u add on hits or in other words a combo, is a speedblitz. What sort of combo do u know that involves only one hit?LOL.
May I ask a question about this speedblitz issue? As you can see I'm new to the forum, and I've been reading through the posts in this thread and I'm honestly quite confused about what does and does not constitute a speedblitz. 😕
I guess I have two questions really. The first is what kind of speed do you need in order to execute a blitz? Is it combat, reaction, flight, running speed or a combination of all? WW's speed often seems to be a point of contention in debates. It's her combat speed that is lacking?
My second question is whether a successful blitz needs to KO the other character. A subquestion to this would be about the number of hits. If Superman were to speed blitz Storm for example, it would only take one hit to knock her out. Would such a move not be considered a speed blitz because he only needed one punch to take her out?
I apologize for the multiple questions. Any responses would be greatly appreciated!
(If this is not proper place to ask such a thing, I apologize as well! 😮 )
Here we go again.
[B]It doesn't matter exactly how fast Zoom was going, what matters is that he was using superspeed, yet Wonder Woman was able to react and counter it. It's that simple.
How does it not matter how fast Zoom was going when WW hits him but yet it matters how fast Surfer or Fallen One were going? Hm little bit of a double standard.
I already said why this doesn't stand as solid proof.Do you want me to repeat it ? Ok.
Since we only have his word here, not one quantifiable combat showing to back this up, not to mention that it's contradicted by other instances, it's obviously a hyperbole.
So the characters word doesn't count. So what does? Other characters stating it, the narration, what just so I know the rules I apparently have to play by.
Contridictions huh, every character in comics is full of those, perhaps you would like to show something that definitvely states he doesn't have those reaction times. Just because he gets hit by slower beings doesn't mean he doesn't have those reaction times otherwise I could just post scans of Supes or Flash being tagged by slow people and say they don't have fast reaction times.
No it isn't, because I already explained that what Thor did isn't comparable to Wonder Woman.Do you want me to repeat this also ? Ok.
What Wonder Woman did implied coordonation, reaction and speed, since Zoom was actually moving, while Thor throwing Mjolnir at FTL implies .. well .. throwing.
So being able to throw a lasso requires all that but throwing a hammer only implies being able to throw. Wow this is unbelievable. To throw is to throw lasso, hammer doesn't make a difference. To throw FTL implies being able to percieve things moving that fast as well as the coordination to move his arm that fast.
No, not the Nova one, it's this one :I even quoted it and told you it's this one that I was talking about.
Ah the one with him dodging dozens of lazers while firing back. So this is unquantifiable but fangirls scan of WW dodging one isn't. Hmm little bit of a double standard there don't you think.
I proved that Wonder Woman can speedblitz, which is what you asked me.
I asked you to provide impressive Thanos combat speed feats, which you weren't capable of.
😆 Proof? 😆 You showed me a scan of her standing still throwing a lasso and are trying to pass it off as a speedblitz. 😆
Also Thanos' combat feats have been stated in the hitting of the Surfer and Fallen One. Whether you find that impressive or not is not my concern.
Since Zoom was using superspeed, and yet Wonder Woman was still able to laso him, it means that she also has superspeed, thus be able to blitz. Is it that hard ?
I'll let you answer this.
Point is, unless it's specifically stated that the characters are fighting at those speeds, it's innacurate to assume that just because character A tags character B (who has proven in the past to have a certain level of speed), then character A's speed is around the same level.
How can you make a statement like this and then do the exact opposite with your scan. Little hint. IT DIDNT STATE HOW FAST ZOOM WAS GOING. So your scan has unquantifiable speeds but it's okay because "he was obviously using superseed", and my scan has unquantifiable speeds but it's not okay. Like I said hypocritical.
Unlike the Thanos/Surfer battle, it is both shown and stated that Zoom was using superspeed, so yes, the battle is proof of Wonder Woman's speed.
Again nowhere in your scan did it state speed. Perhaps you would like to point out the statement of how fast Zoom was going? I dare you.
And this had nothing to do with the Zoom/WW point. I was proving that using Thanos tagging Surfer as proof that he is that fast is meaningless.
Because of the unquantifiable speed that Surfer was going? Well I guess I proved that using WW tagging Zoom to prove her speed is meaningless.
This is getting pretty idiotic, you are dodging arguements and ignoring others. So unless you have something to contribue to the discussion like scans, or even a coherent argument, let me know. Until then, stop wasting my time 🙂 [/B
Actually I was about to say the same to you.
I have ignored nothing. I supplied feats that you try to discredit by saying it's hyperbole or unquantifiable speeds. You supplied one speedblitz feat which consisted of WW standing still throwing her lasso around someone going an unquantifiable speed. Can you not see that your arguement is full of double standards?
Probably not.
Originally posted by h1a8
Faulty reasoning. Super slow guys have tagged Spiderman (with pre-cog), Superman, Flash, SS, Thanos, etc. Does that mean they are faster than WW? Like I said, I can tag a bullet if it isn't moving.
The thing is that they were moving.
As you said super slow people tag Supes, Flash, etc. all the time so why is it going to be different for Thanos?
Also I have never implied Thanos is faster than WW. I simply stated that he will have no problem hitting her dispite her speed. Which as you yourself said slower people hit faster ones all the time.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
May I ask a question about this speedblitz issue? As you can see I'm new to the forum, and I've been reading through the posts in this thread and I'm honestly quite confused about what does and does not constitute a speedblitz. 😕I guess I have two questions really. The first is what kind of speed do you need in order to execute a blitz? Is it combat, reaction, flight, running speed or a combination of all? WW's speed often seems to be a point of contention in debates. It's her combat speed that is lacking?
My second question is whether a successful blitz needs to KO the other character. A subquestion to this would be about the number of hits. If Superman were to speed blitz Storm for example, it would only take one hit to knock her out. Would such a move not be considered a speed blitz because he only needed one punch to take her out?
I apologize for the multiple questions. Any responses would be greatly appreciated!
(If this is not proper place to ask such a thing, I apologize as well! 😮 )
In answer to ur question. A speedblitz is usually considered to be a combo of some sort done at superspeed. Howver the term is used very loosely and is at times used instead of the term bullrush. IMO to execute a speedblitz u wud need to combine at least, combat and running/flight speed.
2 ur other question. As i said a speedblitz is usually considered to be a combo at superspeed. Howver in the case of characters with well established history of speedblitzing like supes and flash, the loose usage of this term becomes evident as if superman or flash attacks storm at superspeeds but it only takes one punch to knock her out it is still considered a speedblitz by most. Howver what im contending is that in line with the way the term is normally used( describing a combo), The term bullrush might be more appropriate in that instance. For example if a speedblitz is considered as simply hitting/tagging/grabbing ur opponent once b4 they can react then the huge debates on this forum as to whether the silver surfer can do a superfast speedblitz wud be needless. Also when characters like hulk simply jump and grab people b4 they can react( like what merged hulk did to drax with the PG) it should also be classified as a speedblitz. Id prefer to go with how the term speedblitz is normally( but not always) used which is referencing a superspeed combo.
As for Wonderwoman, it really makes no difference what u define speedblitzing as, because evn if u do somehow have the erroneous belief that ramming into opponents or lassoing them constitutes speedblitzing, for her to be able to stand a chance against thanos, she wud have to b able to land numerous attacks on thanos B4 he can react.( which falls in line with my opinion of speedblitzing), something which nobody has bin able to show her doing against anyone. Therefore evn IF we do assume that Wondy has speedblitzing capabilities based on one of the definitions(the wrong one) they certainly are not on the level that can evn bother thanos and are of literally no consequence in this match.
How does it not matter how fast Zoom was going when WW hits him but yet it matters how fast Surfer or Fallen One were going? Hm little bit of a double standard.
Because all you asked me was to prove that Wonder Woman can speedbliz. You didn't ask me how fast she can speedblitz, otherwise I would have posted a quantifiable speed feat.
Is it hard to grasp ? Because it doesn't get much easier to understand than this. Not to mention that I've repeated this several times and apparently, you are still unable to comprehend it.
So the characters word doesn't count. So what does? Other characters stating it, the narration, what just so I know the rules I apparently have to play by.Contridictions huh, every character in comics is full of those, perhaps you would like to show something that definitvely states he doesn't have those reaction times. Just because he gets hit by slower beings doesn't mean he doesn't have those reaction times otherwise I could just post scans of Supes or Flash being tagged by slow people and say they don't have fast reaction times.
Unless he's actually proven to have nano-second reaction time in battle, him stating it doesn't make it correct and, like I said, is most likely a hyperbole.
And, again, you don't seem to grasp the difference between the situations at hand and the examples you provide. Unlike Flash and Superman, Silver Surfer doesn't have on-panel combat showings to backup his nano-second sentence. So if he gets tagged by slower characters, it's not a low showing/PIS like it's in Superman/Flash's most cases because he simply has not shown to be able to react that fast.
So being able to throw a lasso requires all that but throwing a hammer only implies being able to throw. Wow this is unbelievable. To throw is to throw lasso, hammer doesn't make a difference. To throw FTL implies being able to percieve things moving that fast as well as the coordination to move his arm that fast.
Actually, there is a difference. Wonder Woman had to coordinate the lasso, react and move at super-speed in order to capture Zoom. What does throwing a hammer imply ? Just throwing.
It's pretty .. sad that you can't see the difference.
Ah the one with him dodging dozens of lazers while firing back. So this is unquantifiable but fangirls scan of WW dodging one isn't. Hmm little bit of a double standard there don't you think.
What the hell ? What does what fangirl posted have to do with what we're talking about here ? Stop with this avoiding the argument bullshit.
laughing Proof? laughing You showed me a scan of her standing still throwing a lasso and are trying to pass it off as a speedblitz. laughingAlso Thanos' combat feats have been stated in the hitting of the Surfer and Fallen One. Whether you find that impressive or not is not my concern.
I already explained to you why what she did proves that she is capable of speedblitizing. If you can't understand it, it's not my problem.
As for Thanos, we already ended that subject.
How can you make a statement like this and then do the exact opposite with your scan. Little hint. IT DIDNT STATE HOW FAST ZOOM WAS GOING. So your scan has unquantifiable speeds but it's okay because "he was obviously using superseed", and my scan has unquantifiable speeds but it's not okay. Like I said hypocritical.
You really weren't able to understand what I was trying to say, did you ? Here, I'll even highlight and explain the parts to you:
Point is, unless it's specifically stated that the characters are fighting at those speeds, it's innacurate to assume that just because character A tags character B (who has proven in the past to have a certain level of speed), then character A's speed is around the same level.
In short, if Silver Surfer demonstrates that he can fight at a certain level of speed, but there is no trace or mention of this level of speed when fighting Thanos, it is incorrect to assume that if Thanos tags him then he also has some amazing reaction time/combat speed.
Otherwise, if anytime a character tags another character who has proven to be fast it means that they are also fast, we get to this logic:
Thos has hit Surfer.
Thor, in his one-on-one fights against Hulk, has shown to have comparable combat speed with him.
Wolverine is generally seen to be more agile/faster in combat than Hulk.
Does that mean that Wolverine has FTL reaction ? I can use many examples such as this.
Like I said before, if you can't understand this, it's your problem and I don't really care 🙂
Again nowhere in your scan did it state speed. Perhaps you would like to point out the statement of how fast Zoom was going? I dare you.
How fast Zoom was going is irrelevant, point is that he was using superspeed and Wonder Woman was able to react and move fast enough to counter it.
Because of the unquantifiable speed that Surfer was going? Well I guess I proved that using WW tagging Zoom to prove her speed is meaningless.
Because there is no evidence that in order to counter Surfer, Thanos had to use super-speed. This instance doesn't prove Thanos has super-speed, because there is nothing to sugest they were fighting at those levels, while, in WW's instance, super-speed was mentioned and shown, so WW reacting and moving fast enough to catch him imples that she has superspeed.
This is ridiculous. I can't belive I had to explain this so many times, and you still didn't get it. crylaugh
Originally posted by Philosophía
Because all you asked me was to prove that Wonder Woman can speedbliz. You didn't ask me how fast she can speedblitz, otherwise I would have posted a quantifiable speed feat.Is it hard to grasp ? Because it doesn't get much easier to understand than this. Not to mention that I've repeated this several times and apparently, you are still unable to comprehend it.
Unless he's actually proven to have nano-second reaction time in battle, him stating it doesn't make it correct and, like I said, is most likely a hyperbole.
And, again, you don't seem to grasp the difference between the situations at hand and the examples you provide. Unlike Flash and Superman, Silver Surfer doesn't have on-panel combat showings to backup his nano-second sentence. So if he gets tagged by slower characters, it's not a low showing/PIS like it's in Superman/Flash's most cases because he simply has not shown to be able to react that fast.
Actually, there is a difference. Wonder Woman had to coordinate the lasso, react and move at super-speed in order to capture Zoom. What does throwing a hammer imply ? Just throwing.
It's pretty .. sad that you can't see the difference.What the hell ? What does what fangirl posted have to do with what we're talking about here ? Stop with this avoiding the argument bullshit.
I already explained to you why what she did proves that she is capable of speedblitizing. If you can't understand it, it's not my problem.
As for Thanos, we already ended that subject.
You really weren't able to understand what I was trying to say, did you ? Here, I'll even highlight and explain the parts to you:
Point is, unless it's specifically stated that the characters are fighting at those speeds, it's innacurate to assume that just because character A tags character B (who has proven in the past to have a certain level of speed), then character A's speed is around the same level.
In short, if Silver Surfer demonstrates that he can fight at a certain level of speed, but there is no trace or mention of this level of speed when fighting Thanos, it is incorrect to assume that if Thanos tags him then he also has some amazing reaction time/combat speed.
Otherwise, if anytime a character tags another character who has proven to be fast it means that they are also fast, we get to this logic:
Thos has hit Surfer.
Thor, in his one-on-one fights against Hulk, has shown to have comparable combat speed with him.
Wolverine is generally seen to be more agile/faster in combat than Hulk.Does that mean that Wolverine has FTL reaction ? I can use many examples such as this.
Like I said before, if you can't understand this, it's your problem and I don't really care 🙂
How fast Zoom was going is irrelevant, point is that he was using superspeed and Wonder Woman was able to react and move fast enough to counter it.
Because there is no evidence that in order to counter Surfer, Thanos had to use super-speed. This instance doesn't prove Thanos has super-speed, because there is nothing to sugest they were fighting at those levels, while, in WW's instance, super-speed was mentioned and shown, so WW reacting and moving fast enough to catch him imples that she has superspeed.
This is ridiculous. I can't belive I had to explain this so many times, and you still didn't get it. crylaugh
u r correct thanos does not have super-speed...all he has is the reaction time to counter faster characters
Originally posted by Philosophía
Because all you asked me was to prove that Wonder Woman can speedbliz. You didn't ask me how fast she can speedblitz, otherwise I would have posted a quantifiable speed feat.Is it hard to grasp ? Because it doesn't get much easier to understand than this. Not to mention that I've repeated this several times and apparently, you are still unable to comprehend it.
Unless he's actually proven to have nano-second reaction time in battle, him stating it doesn't make it correct and, like I said, is most likely a hyperbole.
And, again, you don't seem to grasp the difference between the situations at hand and the examples you provide. Unlike Flash and Superman, Silver Surfer doesn't have on-panel combat showings to backup his nano-second sentence. So if he gets tagged by slower characters, it's not a low showing/PIS like it's in Superman/Flash's most cases because he simply has not shown to be able to react that fast.
Actually, there is a difference. Wonder Woman had to coordinate the lasso, react and move at super-speed in order to capture Zoom. What does throwing a hammer imply ? Just throwing.
It's pretty .. sad that you can't see the difference.What the hell ? What does what fangirl posted have to do with what we're talking about here ? Stop with this avoiding the argument bullshit.
I already explained to you why what she did proves that she is capable of speedblitizing. If you can't understand it, it's not my problem.
As for Thanos, we already ended that subject.
You really weren't able to understand what I was trying to say, did you ? Here, I'll even highlight and explain the parts to you:
Point is, unless it's specifically stated that the characters are fighting at those speeds, it's innacurate to assume that just because character A tags character B (who has proven in the past to have a certain level of speed), then character A's speed is around the same level.
In short, if Silver Surfer demonstrates that he can fight at a certain level of speed, but there is no trace or mention of this level of speed when fighting Thanos, it is incorrect to assume that if Thanos tags him then he also has some amazing reaction time/combat speed.
Otherwise, if anytime a character tags another character who has proven to be fast it means that they are also fast, we get to this logic:
Thos has hit Surfer.
Thor, in his one-on-one fights against Hulk, has shown to have comparable combat speed with him.
Wolverine is generally seen to be more agile/faster in combat than Hulk.Does that mean that Wolverine has FTL reaction ? I can use many examples such as this.
Like I said before, if you can't understand this, it's your problem and I don't really care 🙂
How fast Zoom was going is irrelevant, point is that he was using superspeed and Wonder Woman was able to react and move fast enough to counter it.
Because there is no evidence that in order to counter Surfer, Thanos had to use super-speed. This instance doesn't prove Thanos has super-speed, because there is nothing to sugest they were fighting at those levels, while, in WW's instance, super-speed was mentioned and shown, so WW reacting and moving fast enough to catch him imples that she has superspeed.
This is ridiculous. I can't belive I had to explain this so many times, and you still didn't get it. crylaugh
Again I ask a simple question of where in your scan was it stated what speed they were going and you go of on a tangent. All the while ignoring the fact that it does not state in your scan HOW FAST ZOOM WAS GOING.
[B]Because all you asked me was to prove that Wonder Woman can speedbliz. You didn't ask me how fast she can speedblitz, otherwise I would have posted a quantifiable speed feat.
This is assinine. If you had a scan of a quantifiable speedblitz you would have used it and saved all this time. Again I ask how is standing still throwing a lasso an example of a speedblitz quantifiable or not?
In short, if Silver Surfer demonstrates that he can fight at a certain level of speed, but there is no trace or mention of this level of speed when fighting Thanos, it is incorrect to assume that if Thanos tags him then he also has some amazing reaction time/combat speed.
Otherwise, if anytime a character tags another character who has proven to be fast it means that they are also fast, we get to this logic:
This is the same thing you are doing. Zoom has demonstrated that he can fight at a certain speed, yet there is no trace or mention of this level of speed where fighting WonderWoman and yet you are assuming that WW tagging him means she has amazing reaction time/combat speed.
You are doing the exact same thing I did and yet are trying to condemn me for it. You are a joke and hypocrite and please do not respond to any more of my posts.
I would like to clear one thing up about The Silver Surfers reaction time. It has long been known, that not only does the Silver Surfer have reaction times as good or greater than Wonder Woman, but he has shown these reaction times as well.
Norrin Radd has the power cosmic, and is capable of avoiding collision while moving at FTL speeds through a meteor storm. On a few occasions he has stated that he can detect a grain of sand within the vastness of space.
How does Thanos hit a character like him? He has several times so it can't be PIS or CIS, so what could it be?
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I would like to clear one thing up about The Silver Surfers reaction time. It has long been known, that not only does the Silver Surfer have reaction times as good or greater than Wonder Woman, but he has shown these reaction times as well.Norrin Radd has the power cosmic, and is capable of avoiding collision while moving at FTL speeds through a meteor storm. On a few occasions he has stated that he can detect a grain of sand within the vastness of space.
How does Thanos hit a character like him? He has several times so it can't be PIS or CIS, so what could it be?
Surfer actually has blitzed and destroyed an entire armada of spaceships in a single panel, one more than one occassion. and attacked nearly evry major city in the world in seconds. WW on the other hand well......She can ram into people and throw her lasso. 🙄
Originally posted by ultimatethor
In answer to ur question. A speedblitz is usually considered to be a combo of some sort done at superspeed. Howver the term is used very loosely and is at times used instead of the term bullrush. IMO to execute a speedblitz u wud need to combine at least, combat and running/flight speed.2 ur other question. As i said a speedblitz is usually considered to be a combo at superspeed. Howver in the case of characters with well established history of speedblitzing like supes and flash, the loose usage of this term becomes evident as if superman or flash attacks storm at superspeeds but it only takes one punch to knock her out it is still considered a speedblitz by most. Howver what im contending is that in line with the way the term is normally used( describing a combo), The term bullrush might be more appropriate in that instance. For example if a speedblitz is considered as simply hitting/tagging/grabbing ur opponent once b4 they can react then the huge debates on this forum as to whether the silver surfer can do a superfast speedblitz wud be needless. Also when characters like hulk simply jump and grab people b4 they can react( like what merged hulk did to drax with the PG) it should also be classified as a speedblitz. Id prefer to go with how the term speedblitz is normally( but not always) used which is referencing a superspeed combo.
As for Wonderwoman, it really makes no difference what u define speedblitzing as, because evn if u do somehow have the erroneous belief that ramming into opponents or lassoing them constitutes speedblitzing, for her to be able to stand a chance against thanos, she wud have to b able to land numerous attacks on thanos B4 he can react.( which falls in line with my opinion of speedblitzing), something which nobody has bin able to show her doing against anyone. Therefore evn IF we do assume that Wondy has speedblitzing capabilities based on one of the definitions(the wrong one) they certainly are not on the level that can evn bother thanos and are of literally no consequence in this match.
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Originally posted by ultimatethor
In answer to ur question. A speedblitz is usually considered to be a combo of some sort done at superspeed. Howver the term is used very loosely and is at times used instead of the term bullrush. IMO to execute a speedblitz u wud need to combine at least, combat and running/flight speed.2 ur other question. As i said a speedblitz is usually considered to be a combo at superspeed. Howver in the case of characters with well established history of speedblitzing like supes and flash, the loose usage of this term becomes evident as if superman or flash attacks storm at superspeeds but it only takes one punch to knock her out it is still considered a speedblitz by most. Howver what im contending is that in line with the way the term is normally used( describing a combo), The term bullrush might be more appropriate in that instance. For example if a speedblitz is considered as simply hitting/tagging/grabbing ur opponent once b4 they can react then the huge debates on this forum as to whether the silver surfer can do a superfast speedblitz wud be needless. Also when characters like hulk simply jump and grab people b4 they can react( like what merged hulk did to drax with the PG) it should also be classified as a speedblitz. Id prefer to go with how the term speedblitz is normally( but not always) used which is referencing a superspeed combo.
As for Wonderwoman, it really makes no difference what u define speedblitzing as, because evn if u do somehow have the erroneous belief that ramming into opponents or lassoing them constitutes speedblitzing, for her to be able to stand a chance against thanos, she wud have to b able to land numerous attacks on thanos B4 he can react.( which falls in line with my opinion of speedblitzing), something which nobody has bin able to show her doing against anyone. Therefore evn IF we do assume that Wondy has speedblitzing capabilities based on one of the definitions(the wrong one) they certainly are not on the level that can evn bother thanos and are of literally no consequence in this match.
Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. That was by far the most complete and well constructed discussion I've heard on the subject. 🙂 I think perhaps some WW supports are trying to speak of what she should theoretically be able to do and not necessarily what has actually been shown. *shrug* It's hard to make an argument without evidence though. 🙂
I'll be quiet and run back to my corner. 😆 Thanks again!
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Surfer actually has blitzed and destroyed an entire armada of spaceships in a single panel, one more than one occassion. and attacked nearly evry major city in the world in seconds. WW on the other hand well......She can ram into people and throw her lasso. 🙄
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. That was by far the most complete and well constructed discussion I've heard on the subject. 🙂 I think perhaps some WW supports are trying to speak of what she should theoretically be able to do and not necessarily what has actually been shown. *shrug* It's hard to make an argument without evidence though. 🙂I'll be quiet and run back to my corner. 😆 Thanks again!
Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, I posted scans of wondy speed blitzing. Some people think that a combo is a speed blitz. **** no. A speed blitz is the ability to strike someone faster than they can react. If you can attack someone with uber reflexes and speed, then you are the most capable of speed blitzers. Someone who can perform combos is skilled. they can take advantage of the fact that they've gotten an opening from thier initial speed blitz and are now performing a combo. Take the case of the flash against zum. he performed an imp. which is the DEFINITION of speed blitz. But he only struck zum once. He said he could have struck him a million times. Anyone who thinks that one must perform a combo in order to pull off a speed blitz is an idiot.
A speed blitz is the ability to strike someone faster than they can react.
Isn't that exactly what Surfer did to Nova?
Originally posted by fangirl101
I've never seen Surfer speed blitz a moving, single, superfast target. EVER. And please dont' say Nova, cuz he didnt' even know what the hell surfer was.
Surfer as i said has destroyed entire "moving armadas" of spaceships in single panels. Yes there may be no given speed but hardly any speeds are given in such situations and instantly attacking an destroying multiple spaceships is a gud blitz example. Also nova not knowing what SS was because of his speed.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, I posted scans of wondy speed blitzing. Some people think that a combo is a speed blitz. **** no. A speed blitz is the ability to strike someone faster than they can react. If you can attack someone with uber reflexes and speed, then you are the most capable of speed blitzers. Someone who can perform combos is skilled. they can take advantage of the fact that they've gotten an opening from thier initial speed blitz and are now performing a combo. Take the case of the flash against zum. he performed an imp. which is the DEFINITION of speed blitz. But he only struck zum once. He said he could have struck him a million times. Anyone who thinks that one must perform a combo in order to pull off a speed blitz is an idiot.
Laughable. How can u call anyone an idiot and yet call wonderwoman in a STATIONARY position lassoing another being a speedblitz( the zoom example)? Dang evn u shud know that for wonderwoman to speedblitz an opponent she shud AT LEAST BE MOVING!!!!.lol 😆 Ur example showing her lassoing amazo and calling it a speedblitz is just as laughable. So any character who is able to hit another character who has superfast reflexes and speed must be able to speedblitz? Regardless of the method used in getting the person(i.e lasso), Regardless of whether the person is using the actual speed at that particular moment ? By that description, Thor throwing his hammer and tagging a silver surfer that is flying around means thor can speedblitz. Absolutely asinine. Wonderwoman ramming into someone is a speedblitz eh? I guess hulk can speedblitz as well. 🙄 U say that a speedblitz is simply striking an opponenet b4 they can react and yet u believe that what surfer did to nova was not a blitz despite that being exactly what he did. Such contradicitons and double standards. You selctively apply ur definition where it suits u and ignore it where it does not. 🤣 Utter nonsense.
How skilled do u need to be to simply punch ur opponent many times b4 he can react? Dont u know thats also a combo?lol 😂 i guess not. I already addressed ur flash example in a previous post explaining the loose usage of the term in regards to characters like flash and superman who are already established blitzers who have proved themselves capable of hitting other beings multiple times b4 they react. In actuality going by how the term speedblitz is genrally used on the forum the term bullrush wud be more appropriate in the IMP incident.