Intelligence & cunning competition between Thanos and Darkseid

Originally posted by Allankles
Most of it, a long time ago. The elders didn't even know the true nature of the gems and they are the ones that retrieved them, right? C'mon, Starlin wrote the lot of them like idiots, even the ones that appeared to have some brains like the In-betweener and the Gardener seemed to know less about their own abilities than Thanos.

Thanos quest is one of the reasons I don't much like Thanos' characterization. His playing field is much more shallow than Darkseid's, Darkseid doesn't have the privilege of clueless foes and all powerful artifacts lying about.

And to be fair I shouldn't be holding the shallowness of opposition against Thanos, that's Starlin's fault. Anyway, I just find it amusing when people keep dissing Darkseid when his actual oppostion has been much stiffer, and writers have actaully given his foes much more credit for their intelligence and initiative.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Thanos is a man-*****..arm candy while DS is the actual "man"in his relationships. On another note, when has DS ever begged for his life like a little schoolgirl like Thanos did with Galen 😄

Originally posted by The Great Galen
A true man sticks to hs guns and accepts whatever comes....they dont bow down like a little ***** and beg like a dog. Besides it isnt the first time Thanos coward before someone before.

Originally posted by Nihilist
ive read it a few times

i suggest you should read through thanos,s respect thread

i have nearly all of thanos comics appearance.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Pretty much he lost his Omega Powers.

I don't need 'Omega Powers' to scale stairs.

Originally posted by TheBadguy
I don't need 'Omega Powers' to scale stairs.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid just isnt as good,thats why he always loses before he achieves his goals.

Darkseid goes up against real huddles, Thanos goes up against dopes like the Elders. Thanos = playing in a shallow field. Darkseid = actually coming up against gods and heroes with the intellect and initiative to counter his schemes forcing him to think ever more creatively.

Thanos schemes involve building gigantic crystals and acquiring trinkets like cosmic cubes which get swiped off him or destroyed in laughably simplistic fashion. Give Darkseid his dues, the guy's genius is better portrayed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid begged Superman to stop beating on his face and asked for quarter. Thats sad.

One out of character moment, nevertheless he wasn't begging for his life. Darkseid has fought losing battles plenty times and I can't remember him begging for help or his life in those instances. Thanos has begged for help or his life in more than one instance.

Originally posted by Nihilist
ds hasnt proven to be anywhere near the level of thanos in intelligence or cunnning.

darksied thinks small time compared to thanos

If there's anyone that thinks small time here it's Thanos. He chooses to be death's servant. She is his mistress and he is content in that role. Thanos works to fulfill her narrowed ideals and wishes. Darkseid seeks (as he always has) complete domination of all life, of all existence.

Darkseid remains the Lord of Apokolips - a despot of a planet of gigantic immortals; a conqueror of worlds and galaxies, a destroyer of rival gods and eventually all competing powers.

Darkseid would never accept the role Thanos is so comfortable in, it's just not in his character. Between the two Darkseid is the original he occupies the role he was always meant to occupy. Whereas Thanos' role was changed, essentially making him less ambitious and less sinister than Darkseid.

Originally posted by Allankles
Darkseid goes up against real huddles, Thanos goes up against dopes like the Elders. Thanos = playing in a shallow field. Darkseid = actually coming up against gods and heroes with the intellect and initiative to counter his schemes forcing him to think ever more creatively.

Thanos schemes involve building gigantic crystals and acquiring trinkets like cosmic cubes which get swiped off him or destroyed in laughably simplistic fashion. Give Darkseid his dues, the guy's genius is better portrayed.

One out of character moment, nevertheless he wasn't begging for his life. Darkseid has fought losing battles plenty times and I can't remember him begging for help or his life in those instances. Thanos has begged for help or his life in more than one instance.

Thanos has proved to be better than Magus,outwitted Mephisto,pwned the elders,destroyed the Hunger and saved Galactus's hide,etc.

Thanos does love Death but he is currently right by her side,so thats another goal he has met.

Darkseid begged for quarter against Superman. He also was scared of his father Yuga Khan. Thanos told Galactus to stop because he wanted to stop the Hunger from entering reality. Darkseid begged Superman to stop pounding on him in a one on one duel. Thats laughable.

Name the instances where Thanos has begged. Ill put scans up of all of these and we can compare if we wan t to take it this far.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid has been outprepped by Ares. His plans went up in smoke just because of Superman's involvement in his affair in dong. Darkseid's plans went up in smoke even before Orion got involved in countdown. He always fails,totally and utterly fails.

Thanos has proved to be better than Magus,outwitted Mephisto,pwned the elders,destroyed the Hunger and saved Galactus's hide,etc.

Thanos does love Death but he is currently right by her side,so thats another goal he has met.

Darkseid begged for quarter against Superman.

Name the instances where Thanos has begged. Ill put scans up of all of these and we can compare if we wan t to take it this far.

Darkseid helped defeat Ares with the JL, demonstrating his knowledge in the process. Darkseid was undone by the power of the Source in Dong, not Superman, he ko'd Superman.

Of course all this doesn't even address the fact that Thanos has been undone in simplistic fashion in simple plots - like making giant gems and acquiring cubes. Another problem with Thanos characterization is that his plans aren't anything to write home about but everyone around him is made to look stupid to make him look smart e.g. the elders knowing less about the gems when they are the ones that sought them out in the first place? How is that impressive?

The inbetweener knowing less about his own nature than Thanos despite supposedly being intelligent? Again what? Characters that have lived for eons being impressed by Thanos intellect when all he did was point out the obvious. I don't remember if it was Annhilation or some other appearance but I remember wondering why he was being given props for the kind of obvious conclusions anyone with a brain could have come up with.

All I'm pointing out is what is there in the comics and that is simply that Darkseid plays in a deeper pool, when Darkseid actually triumphs over his rivals and enemies there's actually a significant degree of intelligence or risk in the plan he has employed.

Darkseid has to gamble just as well as plan meticulously in his world. Thanos can play it safe because no one around him seems to have a clue.

As far as his fight with Superman goes that was one instance as opposed to at least two with Thanos where he asked for a reprieve. Furthermore it was Darkseid acting out of character, around 3 decades worth of character mind you.

And Darkseid being cautious about Yuga Khan, well you do realize that it was Yuga Khan that sired Darkseid, right? Darkseid had the power to overthrow Yuga Khan but he was much younger as well as less powerful (at the time) compared to his father, it is always wise to be cautious with your father especially if he is a powerful despot.

Furthermore Darkseid has shown much greater subtelty and forethought like disrupting the power of the Greek gods by manipulating the Romans to worship and honor similar but different gods who were actually avatars of Darkseid's creation. Essentially growing more powerful as the Greek gods influence on earth weakened.

Originally posted by Allankles
Darkseid helped defeat Ares with the JL, demonstrating his knowledge in the process. Darkseid was undone by the power of the Source in Dong, not Superman, he ko'd Superman.

Of course all this doesn't even address the fact that Thanos has been undone in simplistic fashion in simple plots - like making giant gems and acquiring cubes. Another problem with Thanos characterization is that his plans aren't anything to write home about but everyone around him is made to look stupid to make him look smart e.g. the elders knowing less about the gems when they are the ones that sought them out in the first place? How is that impressive?

The inbetweener knowing less about his own nature than Thanos despite supposedly being intelligent? Again what? Characters that have lived for eons being impressed by Thanos intellect when all he did was point out the obvious. I don't remember if it was Annhilation or some other appearance but I remember wondering why he was being given props for the kind of obvious conclusions anyone with a brain could have come up with.

All I'm pointing out is what is there in the comics and that is simply that Darkseid plays in a deeper pool, when Darkseid actually triumphs over his rivals and enemies there's actually a significant degree of intelligence or risk in the plan he has employed.

Darkseid has to gamble just as well as plan meticulously in his world. Thanos can play it safe because no one around him seems to have a clue.

As far as his fight with Superman goes that was one instance as opposed to at least two with Thanos where he asked for a reprieve. Furthermore it was Darkseid acting out of character, around 3 decades worth of character mind you.

And Darkseid being cautious about Yuga Khan, well you do realize that it was Yuga Khan that sired Darkseid, right? Darkseid had the power to overthrow Yuga Khan but he was much younger as well as less powerful (at the time) compared to his father, it is always wise to be cautious with your father especially if he is a powerful despot.

Darkseid was undone by the Source BECAUSE of Superman's actions.

If simplistic plans work why make them any more complicated? Maybe Darkseid should simplify his plans due to his poor success rate.

Again,you seem to have a problem with the writers not Thanos.

Darkseid usually fails and doesnt achieve his goals while Thanos doesnt. Its canon. You can ignore all the poor showings against Superman but they are pretty much equals nowadays barring fc and at classic levels.

Darkseid was afraid of his father who is less powerful than Galactus. Just watch what you say next time otherwise Ill keep bringing up embarrassing darkseid moments. he has far more than Thanos. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid quickly took the defensive after Ares acquired what Darkseid sought. Ares was the better man. Then Darkseid allied with all the others managed to defeat him in a group effort.

Darkseid was undone by the Source BECAUSE of Superman's actions.

If simplistic plans work why make them any more complicated? Maybe Darkseid should simplify his plans due to his poor success rate.

Again,you seem to have a problem with the writers not Thanos.

Darkseid usually fails and doesnt achieve his goals while Thanos doesnt. Its canon. You can ignore all the poor showings against Superman but they are pretty much equals nowadays barring fc and at classic levels.

Darkseid was afraid of his father who is less powerful than Galactus. Just watch what you say next time otherwise Ill keep bringing up embarrassing darkseid moments. he has far more than Thanos. 😉

And the weakest counter-argument of the month goes to...Quanchi 💃

Originally posted by Allankles
Darkseid helped defeat Ares with the JL, demonstrating his knowledge in the process. Darkseid was undone by the power of the Source in Dong, not Superman, he ko'd Superman.

Of course all this doesn't even address the fact that Thanos has been undone in simplistic fashion in simple plots - like making giant gems and acquiring cubes. Another problem with Thanos characterization is that his plans aren't anything to write home about but everyone around him is made to look stupid to make him look smart e.g. the elders knowing less about the gems when they are the ones that sought them out in the first place? How is that impressive?

The inbetweener knowing less about his own nature than Thanos despite supposedly being intelligent? Again what? Characters that have lived for eons being impressed by Thanos intellect when all he did was point out the obvious. I don't remember if it was Annhilation or some other appearance but I remember wondering why he was being given props for the kind of obvious conclusions anyone with a brain could have come up with.

All I'm pointing out is what is there in the comics and that is simply that Darkseid plays in a deeper pool, when Darkseid actually triumphs over his rivals and enemies there's actually a significant degree of intelligence or risk in the plan he has employed.

Darkseid has to gamble just as well as plan meticulously in his world. Thanos can play it safe because no one around him seems to have a clue.

As far as his fight with Superman goes that was one instance as opposed to at least two with Thanos where he asked for a reprieve. Furthermore it was Darkseid acting out of character, around 3 decades worth of character mind you.

And Darkseid being cautious about Yuga Khan, well you do realize that it was Yuga Khan that sired Darkseid, right? Darkseid had the power to overthrow Yuga Khan but he was much younger as well as less powerful (at the time) compared to his father, it is always wise to be cautious with your father especially if he is a powerful despot.

What's the point about all these characters have cosmic awarness in marvel if have the time they dont know there ass from there elbow.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
And the weakest counter-argument of the month goes to...Quanchi 💃

Originally posted by The Great Galen
What's the point about all these characters have cosmic awarness in marvel if have the time they dont know there ass from there elbow.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Obsessed? Darkseid seems to fail against his dc counterparts. Thanos seems to rise to the occasion against his marvel counterparts.

DC counterparts actually have brains, people in marvel are....kind stupid for lack of a better word.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
DC counterparts actually have brains, people in marvel are....kind stupid for lack of a better word.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos makes intelligent characters seem stupid.

No the writers make intelligent characters seem stupid. You only need to check out the IG for reference.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Darkseid quickly took the defensive after Ares acquired what Darkseid sought. Ares was the better man. Then Darkseid allied with all the others managed to defeat him in a group effort.

Darkseid was undone by the Source BECAUSE of Superman's actions.

If simplistic plans work why make them any more complicated? Maybe Darkseid should simplify his plans due to his poor success rate.

Again,you seem to have a problem with the writers not Thanos.

Darkseid usually fails and doesnt achieve his goals while Thanos doesnt. Its canon. You can ignore all the poor showings against Superman but they are pretty much equals nowadays barring fc and at classic levels.

Darkseid was afraid of his father who is less powerful than Galactus. Just watch what you say next time otherwise Ill keep bringing up embarrassing darkseid moments. he has far more than Thanos. 😉

Ha! He prepped and overcame a super powerful Ares who had the god wave at his command. That cancels your weak conclusion. Ares getting the God Wave, is neither here nor there.

Darkseid was younger, Yuga Khan older and more powerful not to mention he had a very deep connection to Darkseid's own power being that he was his father and connected to the Source.

It's like criticising Grayven for being cautious with his father, Darkseid. Well of course he's cautious he only has partial control of DS' power source. As far as Yuga Khan's power goes Darkseid actually had the potential to surpass and overthrow Yuga Khan so there goes your irrelevant Galactus comparison (which does nothing to change the fact that Thanos was humbled in nonchalant fashion).

Darkseid's prep in Genesis comprised largely of following orders from an Elder God. At no point did he and Ares truly match wits or resources during that story. Still, if one were to insist on using it as a basis for comparison, I'd certainly say Ares was ahead on points. Not only did he demonstrate greater understanding in a field that's intimately near to Darkseid's heart (and enough foresight to literally spend ages preparing for an event which cought the rest of the universe by surprise) and used it to fulfil one of Uxas' own long-term goals at a particularly opportune moment, but he killied Darkseid's arch-nemesis in the process.

Darkseid... used critical data provided by his Second World(?) equivalent to trap both Ares and himself in the Source Wall, intentionally or otherwise. (This, incidentally, eventually lead Mars to free Ares by subverting an attempt to rescue Darkseid.)

It really isn't the story to use to prove Darkseid's alleged superiority to anyone. Or shouldn't be, at any rate.

Originally posted by Allankles
No the writers make intelligent characters seem stupid. You only need to check out the IG for reference.

Originally posted by Allankles
Ha! He prepped and overcame a super powerful Ares who had the god wave at his command. That cancels your weak conclusion. Ares getting the God Wave, is neither here nor there.

Darkseid was younger, Yuga Khan older and more powerful not to mention he had a very deep connection to Darkseid's own power being that he was his father and connected to the Source.

It's like criticising Grayven for being cautious with his father, Darkseid. Well of course he's cautious he only has partial control of DS' power source. As far as Yuga Khan's power goes Darkseid actually had the potential to surpass and overthrow Yuga Khan so there goes your irrelevant Galactus comparison (which does nothing to change the fact that Thanos was humbled in nonchalant fashion).

Darkseid was fearful o fhis father and Desaad enjoyed his terror. Thanos told Galactus to stop and he stopped. Thanos blasted him a few hundred yards while Darksied was owned by Yuga. Thanos ended up saving Galactus later in that storyline by the way.

Galactus>Yuga Khan.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Incorrect. It seems you have a bias against Thanos. Youll say anything to take away his thunder. Thanos has done things Darkseid only dreams of. Thats the point. Darkseid and the rest of the universe stopped him. Not Darkseid alone. He had lots o fhelp. That would be like me claiming Thanos stopped the magus during the infinity war on his own. Both had lots of help and were vital but needed the help to take both of these threats down.

Darkseid was fearful o fhis father and Desaad enjoyed his terror. Thanos told Galactus to stop and he stopped. Thanos blasted him a few hundred yards while Darksied was owned by Yuga. Thanos ended up saving Galactus later in that storyline by the way.

Galactus>Yuga Khan.

So basically Thanos was all tough when he sucker punched Galactus yet when it came time to face him head on like a man he....will basically shitted himself and begged like a litte ***** 🙂