Originally posted by namorsubbyYou know the scan says nothing about a bullet to the head, right? It says deep shock made his system shut down, and [b]appear braindead
, but he fought back "by pure force of will" A nod to patriotism no doubt, but a showing of an advanced healing factor? The scan itself mentions no such thing. [/B]
This is what I mean about you. It specfically talks about him having a unique metabolism. Ok let me guess just because they don't use the word healing factor it means something else and it really nothing to do with a healing factor im just exaggerating.
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7548/page003004sn5.jpg
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Originally posted by namorsubby
no, it can't, because I'm not downplaying anything. He felt the air move as BP leapt, did he not? I don't get what you're complaining about? That's what happened, and it in no way suggest some sort of super-sense used to detect "shifting air patterns" or in other words "just moving air".
You are not getting it. Shifting air patterns is moving air but the reason why its described like that is because it was very subtle and no normal person could detect it.
Originally posted by namorsubby
But Slade did senses those things, Why, you ask? Because the the text said he did. It clearly states that they are subtle ground shifts and it makes it pretty clear that Slade can only sense them because of his powers.You can't just say "no" to that. it's stated. I'm starting to think you guys really don't understand much of anything.
Duh, im not arguing that he didn't sense anything. Im saying you're a hypocrite Caps feat is legit like DS. All you are doing is making up shit to downplay Cap. The irony is people were using the same logic you are using to downplay DS.
Originally posted by Deadline
This is what I mean about you. It specfically talks about him having a unique metabolism. Ok let me guess just because they don't use the word healing factor it means something else and it really nothing to do with a healing factor im just exaggerating.http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7548/page003004sn5.jpg
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You are not getting it. Shifting air patterns is moving air but the reason why its described like that is because it was very subtle and no normal person could detect it.
Duh, im not arguing that he didn't sense anything. Im saying you're a hypocrite Caps feat is legit like DS. All you are doing is making up shit to downplay Cap. The irony is people were using the same logic you are using to downplay DS.
The scans say nothing of a healing factor or even a bullet wound to the head. You guys did. I go by what the feat tells me, not what you tell me about the feat.
lol, do you know what metabolism is? If you did, you'd know that the mention of his metabolism relates to what they say about his system shutting down, and not a super-human healing factor. Apparently, the injury put him into deep shock, so his metabolism shut itself down, until he fought back by "pure force of will". That in no way even implies that he used any sort of super-healing to recover from his injury. To suggest he did is nothing less than baffonery.
I didn't say any normal person could detect it. All I said is that that scan is not an example of Cap displaying superhuman senses, and it isn't, at all.
BTW, using the term "shifting air patterns" to describe moving air in no way suggest anything but a different means of saying the air was moving.
I never said Cap's feat wasn't "legit", or that is was unimpressive, you said those things for me.
Deadline, please cease your foolishness. I haven't made up anything. I called Cap's feats what they are.
Cap's sensory feat ='s Him feeling the air move when BP jumped, period.
Cap's recovery feat ='s Cap's system shutting down due to deep shock from an injury, then him forcing himself back through willpower.
Now tell me, honestly, is this not what happened in those scans?
You're pouting for no reason. Do me a favor and cut it out, will ya?
Originally posted by Deadline
This is pathetic. You're ability to distort and twist information is incredible.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) is a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses, independently of whether they are true.[Note 1][1] This results in people selectively collecting new evidence, interpreting evidence in a biased way, or selectively recalling information from memory.
This is pathetic, Deadline. I broke your arguement down along with you preconcieved notions concerning the feats you've displayed, and now you're left with the same card everyone pulls when they know they've been proven wrong.
There's no official name for this card, but I like to call it the "I just found out my argument is full of holes, so I'll accuse the opposing debater of bias instead of conceding" card. Or just the bias card for short.lol
Originally posted by namorsubbyCap's sensory feat ='s Him feeling the air move when BP jumped, period.
Cap's recovery feat ='s Cap's system shutting down due to deep shock from an injury, then him forcing himself back through willpower.
Now tell me, honestly, is this not what happened in those scans?
Again, adress these exact statements and tell me what you find wrong with them. How is what I said above different from what actually took place in these scans? Lay out your exact grievence in precise terms like a real debater should, insteading of tossing accusations around.
bottom line:
Cap didn't display a super-human healing factor in the recovery scans, and he didn't display super-senses with T'challa. That's all I'm saying.
^ heres the rest
Originally posted by Deadline
Oh ****. Finally got the scan with a bullet to the head! Thats without the kevlar as well! 😱http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4069/capfalcon1310fr2.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9591/capfalcon1318je2.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7548/page003004sn5.jpg
Originally posted by Juk3n
shot in the head/dead and up in 12 minutes isnt super healing? Was that the feat? i can't find the scan that preceeds it. And how come when daredevil senses slight air pressure adjustments it's 'super/enhanced senses' but when cap does it it's not?
Exactly. Hes getting pissed off but he hasn't even given a reason. He's basically just stated that it isn't because he think so.
Me: Hey Luke Cage has superhuman durability heres a scan of bullets bouncing off him.
Namor: Thats not superhuman durability.
Me: Why not?
Namor: It just isn't.
Me: WTF?!
Originally posted by Juk3n
shot in the head/dead and up in 12 minutes isnt super healing? Was that the feat? i can't find the scan that preceeds it. And how come when daredevil senses slight air pressure adjustments it's 'super/enhanced senses' but when cap does it it's not?
He wasn't really dead, and it wasn't an example of super-healing.
Cap got hurt. When Cap got hurt, his unique metabolism- the one they were talking about - puts his system in shutdown so he appears to be braindead. It did so because the injury was causing Steve to go into deep shock. Afterwards, it says steve forced his systems back on through "pure force of will", which IMO, makes sense nowhere but in comics, but that's not the point.
bottom line:
There's not even a sligiht implication of him super-healing from an injury. The injury pretty much has nothing to due with it except sending him into shock. We don't even know if it's fatal. The real feat is that Cap's metabolism somehow can shut itself down when it needs to without him dying, and then he can somehow force it back on.
If you guys stopped to examine things for yourselves once in a while instead of simply swallowing then regurgitating what the feat presenter spoon feeds you through his narration, then these things wouldn't happen.
that is all.
Originally posted by namorsubby
facepalmHe wasn't really dead, and it wasn't an example of super-healing.
Cap got hurt. When Cap got hurt, his unique metabolism- the one they were talking about - puts his system in shutdown so he appears to be braindead. It did so because the injury was causing Steve to go into deep shock. Afterwards, it says steve forced his systems back up through "pure force of will", which IMO, makes sense nowhere but in comics, but that's not the point.
bottom line:
There's not even a sligiht implication of him super-healing from an injury. The injury pretty much has nothing to due with it except sending him into shock. We don't even know if it's fatal The real feat is that Cap's metabolism somehow can shut itself down when it needs to without him dying, and then he can somehow force it back on.
If you guys stopped to examine things for yourselves once in a while instead of simply swallowing then regurgitating what the feat presenter spoon feeds you through his narration, then these things wouldn't happen.
that is all.
Can you see how much blood splatter is there?????
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4069/capfalcon1310fr2.jpg
and theres no healing factor involved?? 🤨
Originally posted by namorsubby
Him jumping off a building and landing on his feet doesn't show him above cap?
It doesn't.
1. http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/451/30vf2.jpg
2. http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4737/31eq6.jpg
Repeat, I know... but I think 'subby didn't see my earlier post 😛
Originally posted by DeadlineYou have to be being purposely dense right now.
Can you see how much blood splatter is there?????http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4069/capfalcon1310fr2.jpg
and theres no healing factor involved?? 🤨
What does the amount of blood splatter have to do with anything at all? Cap was in the hospital bandaged up for christ's sake. It's not as if he just popped up from the blood splattered wall unaided by medical expertise.
I don't get how you don't understand it. he didn't heal himself, he shut himself down and then rebooted himself due to his metabolism. That's what's impressive. That's what makes his metabolism unique.......it doesn't make him a super-healer though.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It doesn't.1. http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/451/30vf2.jpg
2. http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4737/31eq6.jpgRepeat, I know... but I think 'subby didn't see my earlier post 😛
This is much more like it. I didn't think Cap could match that feat, and by providing actual proof, Stilt proves he can do just that. Bravo, I concede......to that small statement. However, I do believe Slade's durability is superior to Steve's, for much more than jumping off buildings.
Can you talk to these guys and teach them how to do that?
Originally posted by namorsubby
You have to be being purposely dense right now.What does the amount of blood splatter have to do with anything at all? Cap was in the hospital bandaged up for christ's sake. It's not as if he just popped up from the blood splattered wall unaided by medical expertise.
All they did is take the bullet out. They didn't heal the bullet wound.
Originally posted by namorsubby
I don't get how you don't understand it. he didn't heal himself, he shut himself down and then rebooted himself due to his metabolism. That's what's impressive. That's what makes his metabolism unique.......it doesn't make him a super-healer though.
We know for a fact that Cap heals faster than anybody else. Thats a fact. Just because willpower was used doesn't mean there was no healing involved.
If he didn't have a unique metabolism he wouldn't have even been able to recover in the first place. If you have a strong metablosim it enables you to heal faster I shouldn't have to explain this.
Oh this is concerning you're reasoning about Caps super sense.
Me: Hey Luke Cage has superhuman durability heres a scan of bullets bouncing off him.
Namor: Thats not superhuman durability.
Me: Why not?
Namor: It just isn't.
Me: WTF?!
Originally posted by namorsubby
This is [b]much more like it. I didn't think Cap could match that feat, and by providing actual proof, Stilt proves he can do just that. Bravo, I concede......to that small statement. However, I do believe Slade's durability is superior to Steve's, for much more than jumping off buildings.Can you talk to these guys and teach them how to do that? [/B]
Hey you haven't even given a reason why DSs feat concerning senses is better than Caps. You basically stated that Caps feat wasnt an example of super senses because you said so and you got the audacity to talk about common sense?
Originally posted by namorsubbyI didn't say any normal person could detect it. All I said is that that scan is not an example of Cap displaying superhuman senses, and it isn't, at all.
Bravo. Excellent logic can't argue with that. 😱 This guy is starting to piss me off.
Originally posted by Deadline
All they did is take the bullet out. They didn't heal the bullet wound.We know for a fact that Cap heals faster than anybody else. Thats a fact. Just because willpower was used doesn't mean there was no healing involved.
If he didn't have a unique metabolism he wouldn't have even been able to recover in the first place.
Oh this is concerning you're reasoning about Caps super sense.
Me: Hey Luke Cage has superhuman durability heres a scan of bullets bouncing off him.
Namor: Thats not superhuman durability.
Me: Why not?
Namor: It just isn't.
Me: WTF?!
2. Cap heals faster than anybody? Based on what? You know there's plenty of super-healers in the MU, right? All of which heal way faster and from much more extensiive damage than Cap. That statement is utter nonsense.
His metabolism shut him down during extreme truama, he was treated, and then his willpower turned his systems back on. That is all that is shown happening there......no healing factor, at all.
Originally posted by Deadline
Hey you haven't even given a reason why DSs feat concerning senses is better than Caps. You basically stated that Caps feat wasnt an example of super senses because you said so and you got the audacity to talk about common sense?Bravo. Excellent logic can't argue with that. 😱
lol, you are amazing.
Slade has better senses because he is actually displayed as having superhumanly amplified senses(a thousandfold to be exact), while Cap never has. Are you gonna sit here and tell me that Cap's senses are amplified a thousand times? Be serious.
Cap's feat doesn't display him using super-senses because it is a well known fact that movement through the air causes "shifting air patterns" or simply put: when you move in air, the air moves. A human can feel the air move if somebody moves rapidly around them. Try flapping your hand in front of you face for confirmation.
besides that, the text doesn't mention or even hint that this "detection of air patterns" ='s super-senses. Slade's outright stated it.
Originally posted by Deadline
Can you see how much blood splatter is there?????http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4069/capfalcon1310fr2.jpg
and theres no healing factor involved?? 🤨
For crying out lout Cap looks like he's in a murder scene with him in it. And now he healed up from the bullet to the head in 12 minutes and is out to fight. And yet Namorsubby thinks a non-enhanced man could do this.......LOL
Originally posted by Daredevil1
For crying out lout Cap looks like he's in a murder scene with him in it. And now he healed up from the bullet to the head in 12 minutes and is out to fight. And yet Namorsubby thinks a non-enhanced man could do this.......LOL
Originally posted by namorsubby
facepalmHe wasn't really dead, and it wasn't an example of super-healing.
Cap got hurt. When Cap got hurt, his unique metabolism- the one they were talking about - puts his system in shutdown so he appears to be braindead. It did so because the injury was causing Steve to go into deep shock. Afterwards, it says steve forced his systems back on through "pure force of will", which IMO, makes sense nowhere but in comics, but that's not the point.
bottom line:
There's not even a sligiht implication of him super-healing from an injury. The injury pretty much has nothing to due with it except sending him into shock. We don't even know if it's fatal. The real feat is that Cap's metabolism somehow can shut itself down when it needs to without him dying, and then he can somehow force it back on.
If you guys stopped to examine things for yourselves once in a while instead of simply swallowing then regurgitating what the feat presenter spoon feeds you through his narration, then these things wouldn't happen.
that is all.
Originally posted by namorsubby
1.All they did was give him medical aid for his injuries just like they would anyone else. If he needed stitches, they'd give him stitches. If he needed blood to survive, they'd give him blood. The bandage on his head is a testament to the fact that the already treated his wound. Why would you even say all they did was take out the bullet? Based on what?
They didn't give him blood because they thought he was already dead.
Originally posted by namorsubby
2. Cap heals faster than anybody? Based on what? You know there's plenty of super-healers in the MU, right? All of which heal way faster and from much more extensiive damage than Cap. That statement is utter nonsense.
Please use your head. I don't mean anybody as in the rest of the MU I mean he heals way faster than normal
Originally posted by namorsubby
[b]His metabolism shut him down during extreme truama, he was treated, and then his willpower brought him back. That is all that is shown happening there......no healing factor, at all. [/B]
and if Wolverine was in a situation where it was stated that he used sheer willpower to recover from an injury would I need somebody to specifically tell me his HF was involved or should I use common sense?
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, you are amazing.Slade has better senses because he is actually displayed as having superhumanly amplified senses(a thousandfold to be exact), while Cap never has. Are you gonna sit here and tell me that Cap's senses are amplified a thousand times? Be serious.
Cap's feat doesn't display him using super-senses because it is a known fact that movement through the air causes "shifting air patterns" or simply put: when you move in air, the air moves. A human can feel the air move if somebody moves rapidly around them. Try flapping your hand in front of you face for confirmation.
besides that, the text doesn't mention or even hint that this "detection of air patterns" ='s super-senses. Slade's outright stated it.
You already stated that no normal person couldn't have detected it so whats the problem? If it was simply rushing air then anybody could have replicated that feat.
