Originally posted by Juk3n
Can we first establish that by labeling Steve as NOT a meta human that you have predetermined feats/actions/abilities that qualify someone to be a meta human?What would those be? What qualifies someone being in the meta human range? Bare in mind Marvel rarely/scarcely uses that term, so rather than saying 'because you either are or you arnt meta human' what must a being demonstrate for him to be accepted as a 'meta'?
Saying Meta doesn't mean much. Static Shock is a meta-human and yet his physical stats are not greater then Cap.
Heck Slade fans go on and on about Slade being stronger but I don't see them posting strength feats of Slade that even come close to matching these. Cap's strength feats are better then Slade.
Cap breaks out of cryogenic freezing, there was no space for levarage as we see even slight finger movements start breaking the thick ice.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4712/captainamerica444p22uk1.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4286/captainamerica4450405.jpg
Cap's ICBM shield throw.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3264/captainamericav327p08.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6605/captainamericav327p09.jpg
Cap tilts over a big heavy statue that he's chained up too.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8306/captainamericav305060aa0.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav305062ts1.jpg
Cap bare handed closes nuclear launch doors.
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31222pg8.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31223sq0.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31224rb3.jpg
Cap keeps open the Gamma-Core emergency door, huge doors that self-shut for emergency.
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200610rougherki0.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200613rougherpp2.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200616rougherqs1.jpg
Cap pulling a supply truck through the desert.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2944/captainamericadmr2of303zm4.jpg
Cap makes a steel door buckle as you see it dented up badly on the ground like a pretzel.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/189/camedusaeffect049td3.jpg
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/4290/camedusaeffect050mq6.jpg
Originally posted by Juk3n
Can we first establish that by labeling Steve as NOT a meta human that you have predetermined feats/actions/abilities that qualify someone to be a meta human?What would those be? What qualifies someone being in the meta human range? Bare in mind Marvel rarely/scarcely uses that term, so rather than saying 'because you either are or you arnt meta human' what must a being demonstrate for him to be accepted as a 'meta'?
lol, I haven't predetermined anything. Those who created Cap made him human and not metahuman, not me. Those who categorize Cap classify him as no more than peak human, and for good reason. This has nothing to do with what I deem superhuman or not. Take it up with Marvel comics.
Peak human characters do seemingly superhuman things all the time, but they're still peak humans. You don't see me whining of how Batman should be low-meta because he exhibits higher performances than half the low-metas every other week do you? Point is, these people stay in their rank no matter how impressive their showings are because they've always been stated, displayed, and intented to be whatever level they are in comics. Why is it that people only have a problem with cap being there? Have they not noticed the several others who you could make the exact same argument for?
I have no idea why you guys are so bent on this whole thing. There's absolutely zero evidence to support that Cap is at superhuman level, and much the opposite, but you guys just won't stop. Steve is only a meta in the hearts and minds of some of his dearest fans, never on paper.
Steve Rogers is a peak human character who has never been displayed a meta or low superhuman. get over it. It's pathetic
Originally posted Deadline
Yeah hes low superhuman. I don't see how you think DS is more superhuman than he is though.
Do you even think before you make a statement?
Slade isn't more superhuman? He has freakin super-powers, Steve doesn't. Are you that challenged?
Immortality
Healing Factor
Super-senses
Super-reflexes
Superhuman brain power
Slade has these powers, Cap has none of them, because he's not superhuman.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Sorta like DS placement on the same list right?
When has anyone ever placed Steve on this list? Never. He's not even listed low meta. He's not on the same list. You're blindly ignoring rankings and simply speaking as if he's really on the list because you think he should be
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Saying Meta doesn't mean much. Static Shock is a meta-human and yet his physical stats are not greater then Cap.Heck Slade fans go on and on about Slade being stronger but I don't see them posting strength feats of Slade that even come close to matching these. Cap's strength feats are better then Slade.
Cap breaks out of cryogenic freezing, there was no space for levarage as we see even slight finger movements start breaking the thick ice.
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4712/captainamerica444p22uk1.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4286/captainamerica4450405.jpgCap's ICBM shield throw.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3264/captainamericav327p08.jpg
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6605/captainamericav327p09.jpgCap tilts over a big heavy statue that he's chained up too.
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8306/captainamericav305060aa0.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav305062ts1.jpgCap bare handed closes nuclear launch doors.
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31222pg8.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31223sq0.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericavol31224rb3.jpgCap keeps open the Gamma-Core emergency door, huge doors that self-shut for emergency.
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200610rougherki0.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200613rougherpp2.jpg
http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hrironmanv200616rougherqs1.jpgCap pulling a supply truck through the desert.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2944/captainamericadmr2of303zm4.jpgCap makes a steel door buckle as you see it dented up badly on the ground like a pretzel.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/189/camedusaeffect049td3.jpg
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/4290/camedusaeffect050mq6.jpg
That's one thing i've never understood with you guys. You say if Slade is low-meta, Cap should be, because you believe they are equal physically(non-truth). Do you fail to realize that even if Slade had human level physical stats he'd still be meta because he has meta powers?
Are you being serious right now? I don't post feats for Slade? Are you braindead? Because there's about 600 scans you can go check out in the respect area that I have posted for slade.
And then you claim Cap's strength feats are better and Slade can't come close to matching those feats you posted that I sent you? You have to be delusional.
Punching Diana and making her bleed easily tops all those feats you just regurgitated. He's made two wonder womans bleed with punches. Donna and Diana. He's floored diana with a casual elbow.
You claim to have seen all the feats I posted in my thread. If you had there's no way you'd be this ignorant to what Slade can match and/or exceed by the way of feats.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap makes a steel door buckle as you see it dented up badly on the ground like a pretzel.
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/189/camedusaeffect049td3.jpg
http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/4290/camedusaeffect050mq6.jpg
Except in Batman's case the door was clearly thicker.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Batman (who is weaker than Slade) did pretty much the same thing:
http://img229.imageshack.us/f/asdfgm0.jpg/Except in Batman's case the door was clearly thicker.
First of all thats Batman...not Slade. Second that's not better then Cap's feat look how more badly dented up. Cap did his while he was wounded and Cap actually dented his badly, Bats just kicked it from its hinges. And even more thats Batman's feat.....not Slade.
Show Slade feats that are better then Cap's in strength. I notice Slade fans always post other character strength feats but not Slade.
Heck I have a Daredevil feat of him lifting up a limo with Kingpin and people in it. And Cap is stronger then Daredevil. I could bring DD vs Slade strength feat comparisons but thats not what is on topic. Stick to Slade vs Cap strength feats to see who has the better strength feats.
Punching Diana and making her bleed easily tops all those feats you just regurgitated. He's made two wonder womans bleed with punches. Donna and Diana. He's floored diana with a casual elbow.
Bats has made Spectre, Darkseid bleed. This isn't about punching/technique or weaknesses or vulnerable areas on them. This is about pure strength feats on objects either by lifting them or breaking them.
Slades feats don't match Cap at all.
Originally posted by namorsubbyPunching Diana and making her bleed easily tops all those feats you just regurgitated. He's made two wonder womans bleed with punches. Donna and Diana. He's floored diana with a casual elbow.
Steve Rogers knocked out Hulk with a three shot wutshurepoint?
If slade is strong enough to 'casually' make WW bleed, then he should be one-shotting street levellers.
Steve Rogers has koed hulk, beat namor, taken it to ironman etc etc and you're right in thinking 'if steve rogers koed hulk, he should be 1 shotting street levelrs' as i just said. You can't say DS's cl100 KO is NOT PIS, and Cap's IS PIS. By PIS feats they are equal across the board, the same can be said about there jobbing.
The People that argue Bats > Cap (6/10) because they are 'close' in physical prowess and Bats is skillful enough to overcome the physical advantages of Cap, can be applied here also. With DS's MARGINAL boost in physicality (not quite definite though) Caps skill and martial prowess might be enough to secure him a 6/10.
as for the thread, Slade with gear and 6/10 Cap without.
Originally posted by namorsubbyDo you even think before you make a statement?
Slade isn't more superhuman? He has freakin super-powers, Steve doesn't. Are you that challenged?
Immortality
Healing Factor
Super-senses
Super-reflexes
Superhuman brain powerSlade has these powers, Cap has none of them, because he's not superhuman.
You haven't proven that hes better than him at any of those. You could probably prove that hes has a better healing factor though.
I don't know about this immortality but the SSS reduces the effects of aging as well. 50 years doesn't seem to do anything to him.
You haven't proven **** all, all you've done is make up excuses as to why Caps feats are less than DS and your a big hypocrite. Watch who you're calling dense.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Bats has made Spectre, Darkseid bleed. This isn't about punching/technique or weaknesses or vulnerable areas on them. This is about pure strength feats on objects either by lifting them or breaking them.Slades feats don't match Cap at all.
Who said anything about Batman? His own hyped feats have nothing to do with Slade, and I hope you're not implying that those showings are PIS. It had nothing to do with his technique or hitting a vulnerable spot. Slade punched her in the face for chirst's sake.
What are you talking about? Punching Diana in the face and making her bleed is a testament to strength. It's a strength feat, period.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Steve Rogers knocked out Hulk with a three shot wutshurepoint?as for the thread, Slade with gear and 6/10 Cap without.
are you kidding me?
3 hits from his hands and/or feet?
Als, there's no possible way you can logically justify giving a majority to Cap in h2h. Why would you even assume he'd do better in h2h? That shield is Cap's only real threat as far as incapacitating Slade, but's he's taken hits from donna troy who I know hits harder than Cap can with his shield.
It's bare hands. Slade can take much much more than cap with that healing factor added to his durability, but he won't have to, because he's faster anyway.
How the heck can Cap KO or incapacitate Slade with his bare hands before Slade does so to him? He can't
Originally posted by namorsubbyAre you being serious right now? I don't post feats for Slade? Are you braindead? Because there's about 600 scans you can go check out in the respect area that I have posted for slade.
Get the scans yourself you lazy so and so. You've proven absolutely zero. You think you're such a badass, prove it.
Originally posted by namorsubbyAls, there's no possible way you can logically justify giving a majority to Cap in h2h. Why would you even assume he'd do better in h2h? That shield is Cap's only real threat as far as incapacitating Slade, but's he's taken hits from donna troy who I know hits harder than Cap can with his shield.
Do you know how big the list is of cl70+ people Cap has taken body hits from and been unscathed..are you kidding?
Originally posted by Deadline
You haven't proven that hes better than him at any of those. You could probably prove that hes has a better healing factor though.I don't know about this immortality but the SSS reduces the effects of aging as well. 50 years doesn't seem to do anything to him.
You haven't proven **** all, all you've done is make up excuses as to why Caps feats are less than DS and your a big hypocrite. Watch who you're calling dense.
At any of what? His own listed super-powers? Are you insane?
Cap doesn't have any of those powers I listed, so how could Slade "not be better" at them than Steve. What possesses to make statements like these? And then you have the nerve to wonder why I call you dense?
Steve is not immortal, Slade is. Cap was frozen in ice before, and as sooon as he was revived he became subject to the same sliding timescale as everyone else.You don't even know about the guy you're arguing for.
I haven't lowballed a single Cap feat. Why you were whining over what I said when you presented those scans to me, I have no idea. I didn't sell anything short in my description of any feat. I even asked you to explain what you thought was wrong with my descriptions, but you simply whined more and than went off crying.
Originally posted by Deadline
Get the scans yourself you lazy so and so. You've proven absolutely zero. You think you're such a badass, prove it.
You and anyone else can just go look at it.
I retrieved, uploaded, and already posted all 600 of the scans to the thread I made, but yeah, I'm the lazy one.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Do you know how big the list is of cl70+ people Cap has taken body hits from and been unscathed..are you kidding?
I'm sure none of those people can match Diana, or Donna.
but hell, for my amusement, why don't you show me just how many?
Originally posted by Deadline
He was also hurting a space god called Korvac with his barehands.
and what was his level of power?
What are you talking about? Punching Diana in the face and making her bleed is a testament to strength. It's a strength feat, period.
Bwahahaha. A desperate cry for someone who can't show off Slade better strength feats.
All street level characters like Bats, Daredevil, Shang, have hurt or made bleed a durable character. Even Nick Fury recently put down some of the UFoes.
I see still no actual strength feats for Slade. His only good one was carrying that long cord....LOL. Too bad it's from a elseworld. 😈
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Batman (who is weaker than Slade) did pretty much the same thing:
http://img229.imageshack.us/f/asdfgm0.jpg/Except in Batman's case the door was clearly thicker.
They look about the same thickness, but there are certain obvious difference between knocking a door off its hinges and pushing on it hard enough to significantly bend and warp solid steel. Cap's door looked like a crumpled up piece of paper when he was done with it, Batman's looked like a perfectly fine door that was knocked off its hinges.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
They look about the same thickness, but there are certain obvious difference between knocking a door off its hinges and pushing on it hard enough to significantly bend and warp solid steel. Cap's door looked like a crumpled up piece of paper when he was done with it, Batman's looked like a perfectly fine door that was knocked off its hinges.
