Originally posted by jalek moyeno one said that Cap can't hurt him at all or that he couldn't touch him.
While i htink Salde wins, i dont believe for a second the whole Steve can't hurt him at all and can't touch him etc. basicallywhile i think hes superhuman i think allthe calss 100 can't phase him at all and hes faster then wonder woman etc is crap
Class 100's can't phase him? who said that? that's not at all the case.
Well, he does have superhuman reflexes, and it was mentioned in Wonder Woman's own title. His reflexes have been called instantaneous several times.
Originally posted by jinzin
which is a problem. Aside from his showings against teams engulfed in CIS he lacks the sheer showings that outstrip Cap, and his feats against Batman don't give him some massive edge, quite the opposite.But if we look at Cap's showings against similar opponents to Bats like DD, he's virtually got the same type of advantage against human opponents.
"engulfed in CIS"? If you mean the heroes generally won't kill or show the same ruthlessness as him in battle, then that goes for everyone who fights them, not just Slade.
Are you trying to say Cap's feats are more impressive? Because they're not.
lol, do you guys even look at the encounters between him and charcaters like Batman? In their first fight, Batman contended for a short while, than Slade beat the utter crap out of him. Cap would have a similar experience, no doubt.
In their second fight, Slade casually floored Batman after being suprised attacked and tanking his blows, Twice. Slade wasn't even trying to deal with Batman, but he still put him on his ass with ease. Are you guys really trying to pass off Steve as that much better than Bruce? Cause it's ridiculous.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Can Slade regrow body parts?
Originally posted by jinzin
😂 take your pills.
Take your own advice, because if you believe that Cap can do much better than Bruce against Slade, you need medication.
Originally posted by namorsubby
no one said that Cap can't hurt him at all or that he couldn't touch him.Class 100's can't phase him? who said that? that's not at all the case.
Well, he does have superhuman reflexes, and it was mentioned in Wonder Woman's own title. His reflexes have bee called instantaneous several times.
He regrew his heart, so I guess, but that raises the question of why he hasn't regrown his eye. This inconsitency was actually discussed by the doctors who worked on him in Faces of Evil. They wondered how he could regrow a heart but not his eye. It actually may have to due with Slade purposely willing it not to regrow as a reminde, since it was also revealed in that issue that Slade can literally control his all of bodily functions, down to the molecule, according to Slade. It's in the thread.
I had assumed that was what the whole donna punching thing was about and the wonder woman claim. him not being able to hurt or touhc him.
About the eye thing, i thought his body's healing conisdered his one eye natural from when he got the healing factor?
Originally posted by jalek moye
I had assumed that was what the whole donna punching thing was about and the wonder woman claim. him not being able to hurt or touhc him.About the eye thing, i thought his body's healing conisdered his one eye natural from when he got the healing factor?
Not at all, I know Donna is more than strong enough to put Slade down, but he can and has contended with her before, solo and with the teen titans.
Diana was actually pulling punches when she fought Slade. I'm not nearly foolish enough to believe she couldn't one-shot Slade if she wanted. Diana is an utter beast, stronger and more durable than Slade will ever be in a million years. She's much closer to Superman in durability and strength than Slade, but DS was still strong enough to actually make her bleed with a punch, although there was no way he was really putting her down. Point is, when WW dampened her strength, Slade was actually able to slug it out with her, that's impressive.
Let's be honest though, Steve wouldn't stand half a chance against Donna or Diana. he couldn't contend at all, not for a moment, because he doesn't have the attributes that Slade has.
The circumstances concerning Slade's eye have always been somewhat shrouded, but that's just comics for you I guess, full of inconsistencies and contradicting explainations which often go forever unexplained.
Originally posted by namorsubby
"engulfed in CIS"? If you mean the heroes generally won't kill or show the same ruthlessness as him in battle, then that goes for everyone who fights them, not just Slade.Are you trying to say Cap's feats are more impressive? Because they're not.
lol, do you guys even look at the encounters between him and charcaters like Batman? In their first fight, Batman contended for a short while, than Slade beat the utter crap out of him. Cap would have a similar experience, no doubt.
In their second fight, Slade casually floored Batman after being suprised attacked and tanking his blows, Twice. Slade wasn't even trying to deal with Batman, but he still put him on his ass with ease. Are you guys really trying to pass off Steve as that much better than Bruce? Cause it's ridiculous.
Take your own advice, because if you believe that Cap can do much better than Bruce against Slade, you need medication.
K... show me something like Slade tackling Superman, cause Cap tackled Giant Man, Thor, and Iron Man... and he did it all at the same time.
How about show me Slade having the stopping power to give someone like Hulk a three hitter quitter or throw something faster than escape velocity. Slade doesn't have "better feats" he has different feats... except when it comes to fighting skilled streeters in one on one combat. That's where he and Cap have similarities that show through.... except for the fact that Cap doesn't have an affinity against characters with good agility.
The first fight they had ended with Slade holding is arm, sweating through his armored suit and limping away. It wasn't some great victory. Shit, Cap has shown faster recovery than that against strict superhuman punishment.
The second fight wasn't nearly impressive for bats, true, but Bats did end up beating Slade down eventually. Kinda like he usually does. Slade is far and away from being able to withstand the punishment of someone like Cap without a sweat.
He doesn't HAVE to do "much" better than Batman to make this an even fight... that's the thing.
Originally posted by jinzin
K... show me something like Slade tackling Superman, cause Cap tackled Giant Man, Thor, and Iron Man... and he did it all at the same time.How about show me Slade having the stopping power to give someone like Hulk a three hitter quitter or throw something faster than escape velocity. Slade doesn't have "better feats" he has different feats... except when it comes to fighting skilled streeters in one on one combat. That's where he and Cap have similarities that show through.... except for the fact that Cap doesn't have an affinity against characters with good agility.
The first fight they had ended with Slade holding is arm, sweating through his armored suit and limping away. It wasn't some great victory. Shit, Cap has shown faster recovery than that against strict superhuman punishment.
The second fight wasn't nearly impressive for bats, true, but Bats did end up beating Slade down eventually. Kinda like he usually does. Slade is far and away from being able to withstand the punishment of someone like Cap without a sweat.
He doesn't HAVE to do "much" better than Batman to make this an even fight... that's the thing.
Tell you what, why don't you start by showing me that feat? Also, you're acting as if Cap did something spectacular. He used his weight and momentum to overcome their weight and tackle them. Cap can't physically(with his own hands, feet, etc) even come close to overpowering or hurting any of those guys individually, so what does it matter?
Again, show me these things. He took down the hulk in 3 hits? From what? Surely not his own power, right? Or are you saying Steve is strong enough to KO the hulk? Please don't be saying that, please.lol
The first fight ended with Bruce getting WTF pounded. Don't sell it short. Batman contended for a moment and then got beat the hell down. I see this fight going similarly, very similarly.
Don't be so quick to criticize Slade being hurt after their encounter. He was fighting freaking Batman. The guy hurts and tanks blows from people much stronger/more durable than slade. He just gets that much respect.The Bat-fans needed to see something to make up for that loss. lol, BTW, do you really want to compare recovery/durability feats for Cap and Slade? If not, stop right there, because I assure you, he can recover from and endure much more than Steve in general, which is all that matters, but almost certainly in high-end feats as well.
In their second fight, Bruce was no more than an annoyance. One which Slade easily dwelt with twice, and then went on his way. He was literally swatting Bruce down like a fly, even though Bruce suprise attacked him each time and got his hits in first. In their second encounter, after Bruce sneaks up and wails on him, Slade puts him down with one freakin backfist.
lol, Bruce didn't "beat him down". He snuck up on him a third time, after slade left him floored for the second time, and suckered him. If you didn't notice though, Slade was pretty much laughing about it. He was no where near being hurt enough to be incapacitated. he was amused. He didn't even care.
lol, with Slade's durability, healing factor, and body armor, he could easily withstand Cap's general level of punishment output. Now of course you'll wanna cite a few high-end examples of what Cap has done with his shield or whatever, but you know that's not the norm. Slade can take more, and dish more out than Steve can.
Again, you're completely undermining these Batman showings. He wouldn't have to do much better than bruce to make this an even fight? Are you kidding? You know in not one of those fights was Bruce even close to achieving a stalemate, or looking evenly matched with Slade, right?
Fight 1: Bruce contended, then got pounded
Fight 2: Batman was easily floored and not even thought of as a real threat, which eventually lead to his "victory", but he suckered him each time.
Cap can't sucker him, or take advantage of his leniency, this is a forum fight. He lose both scenarios. Using the Batman fights as a reason why Cap could stalemate is laughable. It's more like a reason why Steve will suffer damn near the same fate.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Tell you what, why don't you start by showing me that feat? Also, you're acting as if Cap did something spectacular. He used his weight and momentum to overcome their weight and tackle them. Cap can't physically(with his own hands, feet, etc) even come close to overpowering or hurting any of those guys individually, so what does it matter?Again, show me these things. He took down the hulk in 3 hits? From what? Surely not his own power, right? Or are you saying Steve is strong enough to KO the hulk? Please don't be saying that, please.lol
Nobodys arguing its pure strength just give us a feat thats just as impressive.
Lets wait for the excuses. You got your excuses ready right?
Originally posted by namorsubby
Steve Rogers is not a metahuman. How a few people have come to this conclusion, I have no idea.
Can we first establish that by labeling Steve as NOT a meta human that you have predetermined feats/actions/abilities that qualify someone to be a meta human?
What would those be? What qualifies someone being in the meta human range? Bare in mind Marvel rarely/scarcely uses that term, so rather than saying 'because you either are or you arnt meta human' what must a being demonstrate for him to be accepted as a 'meta'?