Originally posted by namorsubby
It wasn't PIS because he's done it before against Donna, who he has fought several times since his creation. Kinda like how wolvie fans justify him being a brick toppler because he's fought bricks since his conception and in his first appearance. Well, Slade fought Donna in his first appearance and has since. Same goes for the flash feats.An interview in which one author apparently said he thought Cap was physically superior? How the hell does that hold relevance over Batman and Cap's entire comic history? The opinion of one author? Are you Serious?
If you think you can prove it through feats(which I know you can't), go ahead and try.
And again, where is Steve stated meta? According to what is Steve Rogers Low meta/supehuman level? Slade has always been because he is and has always been metahuman.
It wasn't PIS because he's done it before...? Wow. So did Cap, hurting high level bricks ain't nothing new for him. Diana doesn't bleed after taking Class 100+++ punch, yet DS manages to do that and you think it's not PIS...?
Wolverine's case is completely different, leave him out of this thread. High level regeneration, indestructible skeleton, claws so keen they can cut through almost anything, etc.
Not Busiek. Brubaker.
Dodging a bullet after it's been fired comes to mind. No human can do that.
He's been called a next step in human evolution as you know and I'm pretty sure it was stated on panel he's enhanced.
Originally posted by snoopdogg
What interview?
From Cap's thread:
Originally posted by Deadline
Caps is above peak human. These are quotes from Ed Brubaker. Thanks go to Daredevil1 for finding them.http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060330214926
"Just physical exertion. While I don't think of Cap as 'super' like Spider-man or Superman,[B] he's clearly not Batman with a shield. He's not just like a guy who works out all the time and is trained. He's been enhanced, and I wanted to show that a bit."
"See, I never understand why everyone gets so worked up about this stuff. Cap was given the Super-Soldier Serum. The first word there is SUPER. He's not superman, but clearly, he's been shown to be much faster and stronger than a well-trained athlete, many many times. One of everyone's favorite Cap appearances seems to be DD: Born Again, where he's shown running to fast that he's a breeze."
http://www.comicboards.com/camb/view.php?rpl=060418204829&q=ed%20brubaker
"I see it as he's the ultimate of human potential. Not something the modern man could ever be, but like an evolutionary next-step, basically. He's not Thor or Spiderman, but he's not Batman, either." [/B]
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It wasn't PIS because he's done it before...? Wow. So did Cap, hurting high level bricks ain't nothing new for him. Diana doesn't bleed after taking Class 100+++ punch, yet DS manages to do that and you think it's not PIS...?Wolverine's case is completely different, leave him out of this thread. High level regeneration, indestructible skeleton, claws so keen they can cut through almost anything, etc.
Not Busiek. Brubaker.
Dodging a bullet after it's been fired comes to mind. No human can do that.
He's been called a next step in human evolution as you know and I'm pretty sure it was stated on panel he's enhanced.
From Cap's thread:
If his hung up on the Diana showing, post the scenes where he ****s up the Hulk or makes Onslaught bleed. If you have them available of course. I can dig for them if you want, but it will have to be later.
I thought it was common knowledge by now that Captain America is beyond regular humans. Shit, that was evident from his first appearances in the Avengers, where he makes Iron Man, Thor, and Giant Man feel his strength.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If his hung up on the Diana showing, post the scenes where he ****s up the Hulk or makes Onslaught bleed. If you have them available of course. I can dig for them if you want, but it will have to be later.I thought it was common knowledge by now that Captain America is beyond regular humans. Shit, that was evident from his first appearances in the Avengers, where he makes Iron Man, Thor, and Giant Man feel his strength.
I can do that, sure. But frankly, I don't see the point. Subby won't acknowledge them. If Steve does a feat pretty much equivalent to Slade hurting WW or even better, then it's PIS, that is useless (of course Slade's feat remains completely legitimate)... you heard the man.
I can see his response already:
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Hulk feat
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Fools! The Amazing and Spectacular Spider-Man was charging his super punch while Cap kept Hulk busy! That's what knocked out the Green Goliath!
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Onslaught
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He used the shield, it's sharper than adamantium claws!
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Avengers
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He weighs too much!
etc.
I was trying to stay out of this...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😬 His really resorted to H1n8's level of stupidity? Shame. I thought he was a sensible enough guy.Personally I'd give Cap the edge in skill, strength, durability/endurance. Slade might get the edge in reflexes -gotta throw him a bone- but I'd give Cap the edge in pure movement speed.
So did I. Let's try it anyway...
Knocking out the Hulk:
1. http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture02-12.jpg
2. http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture01-11.jpg
3. http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture03-7.jpg
4. http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture04-7.jpg
5. http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture05-6.jpg
6. http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/capture06-3.jpg
Onslaught:
1. http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n266/Lopetego/OWNSLAUGHT2.jpg
(scans from Cap's thread, props to Locard)
Couldn't find the scan of Cap tackling them, but I found this instead:
1:15 - 1:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdeuOH8Vn2w
^ Pretty much what happened, just without their comments about his strength. He was compared to a hurricane or something, IIRC.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It wasn't PIS because he's done it before...? Wow. So did Cap, hurting high level bricks ain't nothing new for him. Diana doesn't bleed after taking Class 100+++ punch, yet DS manages to do that and you think it's not PIS...?Wolverine's case is completely different, leave him out of this thread. High level regeneration, indestructible skeleton, claws so keen they can cut through almost anything, etc.
Not Busiek. Brubaker.
Dodging a bullet after it's been fired comes to mind. No human can do that.
He's been called a next step in human evolution as you know and I'm pretty sure it was stated on panel he's enhanced.
From Cap's thread:
No, it wasn't PIS because he's been shown to be at that level since his conception and has a number of appearances throughout his entire history to support it. These showings, along with the non-prep team beatings and flash taggings have always been there for Slade. Therefore it's not rational to lump it together with other feats that you know for certain don't display a character's routine level of formmidability. You guys aren't dumb, so why even bring up those feats as if they are relevant to an actual forum match? If you know Slade then you know he's been doing those exact things since day 1. Cap fought nazi's for his first few decades. You guys are acting as if you don't see the difference between what I'm throwing out and what you are. That's plain ridiculous. Please cease and dissest immediately.
lol, I knew I shouldn't have mentioned Wolverine.
whatever. One author, like I said. One author who is giving his own interpretation of what he thinks Cap's powers should be. You guys just took it and ran with it as if it's comic displayed proof. it's not.
Batman has dodged a bullet after it's fired by hearing it. Many peak humans do. Where have you been?
lol, Cap is not evolved. He's juiced. The SSS didn't make him evolve to attain those attributes. It itself what gives him those attributes.
duh, it's been stated he's enhanced, because he is, but that doesn't mean he's superhuman. He had the SSS, before that he was a weakling. He was enhanced, just like a steroid junkie.
Originally posted by namorsubby
No, it wasn't PIS because he's been shown to be at that level since his conception and has a number of appearances throughout his entire history to support it. These showings, along with the non-prep team beatings and flash taggings have always been there for Slade. Therefore it's not rational to lump it together with other feats that you know for certain don't display a character's routine level of formmidability. You guys aren't dumb, so why even bring up those feats as if they are relevant to an actual forum match? If you know Slade then you know he's been doing those exact things since day 1. Cap fought nazi's for his first few decades. You guys are acting as if you don't see the difference between what I'm throwing out and what you are. That's plain ridiculous. Please cease and dissest immediately.
You see this is thing if you run your mouth and you end up being wrong it makes you look like a dick. No we can't see the difference becuase Cap didn't just fight Nazis he fought metas as well. No theres no difference you're wrong sort the attitude out.
Originally posted by namorsubby
whatever. One author, like I said. One author who is giving his own interpretation of what he thinks Cap's powers should be. You guys just took it and ran with it as if it's comic displayed proof. it's not.
The only reason why it isn't is because youy say so, period. You asked for proof that Brubaker mean't to write him as a meta wether you agreed wasn't really the point. Obvoulsy you will disagree because you don't want to.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Batman has dodged a bullet after it's fired by hearing it. Many peak humans do. Where have you been?
Again whats with the attitude. Cap has run faster than a bullet, have you got a matching Batman feat? Oh let me guess you found something wrong with the feat.
Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, Cap is not evolved. He's juiced. The SSS didn't make him evolve to attain those attributes. It itself what gives him those attributes.
Yeah because you said so.
Originally posted by namorsubby
duh, it's been stated he's enhanced, because he is, but that doesn't mean he's superhuman. He had the SSS, before that he was a weakling. He was enhanced, just like a steroid junkie.
Again watch the attitude. They have said the same thing about Deathstroke but obvoulsy you're going to assume that in DS's place it means superhuman. Hypocrite.
Originally posted by namorsubby
No, it wasn't PIS because he's been shown to be at that level since his conception and has a number of appearances throughout his entire history to support it. These showings, along with the non-prep team beatings and flash taggings have always been there for Slade. Therefore it's not rational to lump it together with other feats that you know for certain don't display a character's routine level of formmidability. You guys aren't dumb, so why even bring up those feats as if they are relevant to an actual forum match? If you know Slade then you know he's been doing those exact things since day 1. Cap fought nazi's for his first few decades. You guys are acting as if you don't see the difference between what I'm throwing out and what you are. That's plain ridiculous. Please cease and dissest immediately.
🙄
Slade didn't do much of anything day one. He dodged a blast, caught a whip and tripped Impulse with his staff.
... and technically that was Booster Gold impersonating DS. 😎
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Cap has plenty of feats. Just not ones that really blow me away. He's a def meta for me, but so is Slade.
this is what i was thinking too. seems you guys are hung up on proving cap is meta level. i dont disagree with that. he deff is meta, no human could train to caps level, but so is slade. personally i believe cap and slade are extremely close in all stats. strength, speed, durability, etc. but in the end i do give the edge to cap, he just seems alittle more skilled to me, but i give it to slade with any prep. i feel slade is the slightly better strategist, but cap is slightly more skilled.
Originally posted by namorsubby
No, it wasn't PIS because he has a number of appearances throughout his entire history to support it.
This statement can be applied to Cap. Just sayin'.
And since you bring up the Flash tagging as NOT PIS. Could you please clarify what the feat itself implies? Don't dodge the question, there are only a handful or less of suitible answers, shall we go through them together?
1. Flash was CIS-Shackled moving VASTLY slower then what he's capable of, or even slower than a competent combat speed.
2. He wasn't and DS is just as fast as Flash. 😬
3. Flash was CIS-Shackled moving VASTLY slower then what he's capable of, or even slower than a competent combat speed.
OR
4.Flash was CIS-Shackled moving VASTLY slower then what he's capable of, or even slower than a competent combat speed.
the Flash tagging doesn't help DS's case AT ALL.
the 'evading' Superman feat doesn't help DS's case AT ALL.
Because he's either A) fast enough to tag a competent flash, strong enough make a donna troy bleed and 'suprise and evade' superman with his speed and agility. (Thus prolly making this a spite match) or B) He's a little above enhanced human but still able to be hurt by Batman - to be made to limp away actually - be given some stick by Nightwing, and so on.
He can't be both.
Originally posted by Juk3n
This statement can be applied to Cap. Just sayin'.And since you bring up the Flash tagging as NOT PIS. Could you please clarify what the feat itself implies? Don't dodge the question, there are only a handful or less of suitible answers, shall we go through them together?
1. Flash was CIS-Shackled moving VASTLY slower then what he's capable of, or even slower than a competent combat speed.
2. He wasn't and DS is just as fast as Flash. 😬
3. Flash was CIS-Shackled moving VASTLY slower then what he's capable of, or even slower than a competent combat speed.
OR
4.Flash was CIS-Shackled moving VASTLY slower then what he's capable of, or even slower than a competent combat speed.the Flash tagging doesn't help DS's case AT ALL.
the 'evading' Superman feat doesn't help DS's case AT ALL.Because he's either A) fast enough to tag a competent flash, strong enough make a donna troy bleed and 'suprise and evade' superman with his speed and agility. (Thus prolly making this a spite match) or B) He's a little above enhanced human but still able to be hurt by Batman - to be made to limp away actually - be given some stick by Nightwing, and so on.
He can't be both.
Agreed.
Punisher has evaded Sentry! Punisher >>>>>>>>>>>> Cap! ZOMG 😱
Deathstroke hits Flash(s) the same way streets hit any speedster by predicting where they are going to end up... this is apparently aided by the fact that whenever DS is around the various Flashes are just too stupid to not run into shit... despite being able to perceive the world in excess of light speed. Although I guess one bonus about the ridiculous speed force is (depending on the writer) that their reaction time can increases or decreases relative to the current speed they are moving at. This makes a street hitting the Flash somewhat more ambiguous then a street doing the same thing to, Quick Silver or Speed Demon. Flash has some degree of control, he doesn't spend his day (again depending on the writer) perceiving the world at the speed of light, so it is theoretically - if wholly unlikely - possible to catch him of guard. /shrug
Slade's Flash based feats are overrated. If no speed for the Flash is given, the feat's are useless. Frankly, Flash characters simply don't run around at impressive speeds on a day to day basis. Especially in guest appearances where their cannon fodder. I doubt even Wally comes close to the speed of sound.
The fact that recently Green Arrow did a Deathstroke like maneuver -Barry ran towards Ollie, and he ducked, forcing him to grab his quiver and electrocuting himself- while commenting that their predictable etc. reinforces this stance.
i chalk it up to activation power coinciding with his relative speed he is in... otherwise it would fall on pis poor writing and utter disregard of the character and DCU rules..
plus i also add it to being the same to supes reaction time if he isnt aware of it and doesnt think to use superspeed he can be hit.
