Originally posted by Uriel005
Ok people post panels of Cap's feats like getting up from a bullet to the brain after 12 minutes to go stomp on somebody's neck. You then state oh it's only a high end feat which is then followed by a statement of one of Slade's high end feats i.e. high speed regenerations and strength.
The response to your attempts to label Cap's feats as inferior tends to be that your own logic is self defeating because not only do you state that high end feats do not count for the Cap but you follow up with a high end feat from slade which is not consistent throughout DC canon and try to use that to disprove Cap's high end feat.Don't you see the problem with disavowing high end feats from the Cap and allowing them for Slade a bit problematic. Given the level of the Captains power is much more variable than Slade but I attribute it to the length of which his series has run.
However when arguing in the caps favor I was trying to go on the side of average for the both of them. Yes I will grant that on average Slade's regeneration is higher but I must also state his endurance seems to flop and spike rather too much for my tastes. I mean from comic to comic sometimes bullets are minor inconveniences to him and other times downright traumatic. Cap tends to have a bit more consistency in that when he gets shot it has the tendency to slow him down but not cripple him. Additionally his average strength tends to fluctuate between epitome of human to a muscle man benching cars for a morning workout. (bit of exaggeration but you get my point)
Slade however tends to remain at the physical level of peak human in terms of strength because in Teen Titan's I've seen heroes like batman and robin take some pretty bad beatings from him and as far as I'm aware his durability tends to remain somewhat consistent at around enough to take a few blows from beefy strength villains though he relies more on dodging as more than a few hits from the stronger members of the rogues gallery does tend to put him down. So with that I tend to mark Slade's strength as peak human if not a bit above because "normal" human characters have taken quite the beating from him and still kept going.
Also in terms of experience Cap has quite a few years on Slade and a lot of his enemies were extremely h2h savvy and he does not always use his shield to deal with such enemies weather because their reflexes make the shield a frisbee to be caught and returned or the fact that they are humans used to fighting powerful heroes and as such learn to dodge such things, Cap usually finds a way to beat them.
Slade is no pushover in h2h but his style is much more structured and technique oriented. I give the advantage in h2h to Cap because it's the philosophy of fighting and his sheer force of will. I mean Iron man beat him till his jaw was practically hanging off due to his suit being essentially made to beat him and he still gets up to keep going. It's like fighting a Bruce Lee and a Shaolin monk. The monk has years of history to draw from on how to counter, attack and block but the Jeet Kun Do style of Bruce Lee was much more practical in that the limitations of a set style were less of a factor due to there technically being no style in Jeet Kun Do. Cap has the experience and the adaptive fighting style that many martial artists lack because he simply doesn't have the limitations of a style other than what works and what doesn't. I have noticed that Slade on the other hand has a very regimented fighting style that comes with years of practice and the perfection of skills. I give the advantage to flexibility and experience because the two put together make it very difficult to find something the Cap hasn't seen.
Also your comments about Slade taking on large numbers of heroes of varying skill and ability. Purely plot power... If that were a baseline for his power then how is it that "normal" human heroes can still beat him down in a straight fist fight on occasion. IF his level of strength were really at that level then no individual unaided human fighter would ever stand a chance. I mean come on being able to fight at such a speed the flash can't dodge it... and having batman and sidekicks beat him even once in a fight??? something doesn't add up there at all.
In the event people feel TLDR- As I said in many of your posts you dismiss the high end Cap and push high end Slade forward discounting his own disparities in the level of his strength. The only reason I have this unfeasibly large post most people probably wouldn't be willing to read is because I am tired of seeing across multiple boards with you pushing Slade forth as some kind of unstoppable juggernaut that would just rampage through other characters while asking for more proof of other characters only to shoot it down as them picking overpowered moments in their history while doing the exact same thing to Slade.
BTW I am a Slade fan as well as a Cap fan before someone accuses me of being a cap fanboy with raging butthurt.
You appear to be good at filibustering,if nothing else.
1. Cap didn't recover in 12 min. The entire time was indefinite.Once he had been pronouced dead, 12 min later he came out of his shutdown mode which he was put in by his metabolism and fought out of with his "willpower". It's not even a healing feat. Also, I never stated it was only a high end, so what are you even reading?lol I actually don't even need to compare healing feats with Cap for Slade. Anyone with half a brainstem knows that someone with an HF that renders them immortal is vastly superior to Cap's so-called HF.
When I state that a Cap feat is not legit due to PIS etc, anyone can obviously see that the feat presented is not even close to within Cap's routine displayed power-level. The slade feats that you want to call PIS are actually justified by his history. Meaning, If he could do it then, he could do it now. If you don't see the difference between what I present and what they present, then you're just not tryng to.
So you're saying generally, Cap's HF and durability are comparable? Not even close. Usually cap doesn't even have an hf. On average Slade's HF is not even to be compared to Caps.Durability too.
Slade's strength surpasses peak human
I'd give an advatage in h2h to Slade, seeing as he's physically superior.
lol, these things are called low showings....and to be honest, you guys really exaggerate about how often he has trouble with street-levelers. Many times those same street-levelers get stomped without Slade breaking a sweat. His baseline is squarely above those guys, and they even admit it. CIS is often involves in most showing where he "struggled" with them.
The problem is you think the regular slade is one who is barely above these streets. But comic proof shows that from day on slade has been portrayed as a threat to multiple characters individually, some of which are above street-level themselves. You think the slade who is bogged down by CIS/PIS etc vs street-elevers is the norm, but you're mistaken.
lol, you're still exaggerating. I don't portray slade as any more than he is. I've had many posters tell me after making the thread that slade is under-rated on KMC, and they're right.