Originally posted by Lord_Talron
MVP (michael van patrick) of the avengers initiative had peak human strength/speed/reflexes etc thru working out. it was stated that he was peak human
Yup a great portion for the success of MVP was this special "revolutionary diet" from Brazil (Blackpanther gained peak human by the special heart shaped herb) plus even while he was in his mother's womb, they started feeding him this revolutionary diet and training him when he was "first" born.
They even said he was perfection down to his cellular level. But they never said once if his mind was enhanced like Cap or that he was Cap's equal. But IIRC he was coined as Cap jr.
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
but if you READ the initiative they comment that he gained his peak human attributes via eating right and working out.
Actually Pym asked that same question in the book. IIRC so all it takes to be a Super soldier is a diet and exercise?
And the Doc answered him," No a revolutionary diet and special isometric training. A complete life time of dedication to it.
I'm thinking this revolutionary diet had some of the special ingredients to make the SSS, maybe even the wakanda herb. To bad it was never explained.
Originally posted by King Castle
but, it doesnt count.. hyperbole and pis moments only work for DS and not cap. so we cant use caps own feats to substantiate his abilities.
1. What feats can you post to prove Cap has reflexes beyond "instantaneous" or perhaps faster than WW? None whatsoever.
2.You never explained how such a statement could amount to hyperbole. But that's okay, you can't, because it's not. Concession accepted 😄
Originally posted by Daredevil1
That just means to Slade there instantaneous. You really think his reflexes are faster then say Gladiator movements in nano seconds. Since there truly instantaneous?Its a throw out statement. Even if there a low level enhanced degree like Cap's. His speed has impressed QuickSilver and his speed was stated to be on par with QS. Yet even I don't believe its truly at QS speed. Despite the comment.
lol, Cap's speed is not on par with QS's.Does he run around at the speed of sound all day? No. And BTW, you've never shown me anything to even suggest that, ever.
It's not a "throw out" statement, whatever that is. It's clear DS means what he says, and he's said it several times and he's even been classified as such in stats.
So, I've already proved he's stronger and faster, what else? 💃
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Originally posted by Omega Vision
I got his point. His point is that he thinks that Captain America is better than Batman simply because he says so and because while Cap is a super soldier Batman is a guy who just works out a lot.He's essentially ignoring the fact that whatever their implied powersets might be relative to one another Batman is comparable to Steve in virtually every way based on feats and history.
He's saying that serum>training even if the results are mostly the same.
What he's saying is contradicted by comic book showings. Recall that Kirby once stated Darkseid to be Galactus's equal.
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Originally posted by BattleMage
Cap still wins
You guys might as well do this.lol
Well cap is the definitely well balance out, but slade has one major adva, advantage, hes a master tactician
i read both marvel n DC comics and in Identity Crisis i seen slade take on green arrow, the flash, hawkman, elongated man and one of da green lanterns, at the end of the fight, flash had a stab wound in his chest, lanterns "ring" was broken< g arrow had a mouth full of blood, elongated man wasout for da count, and hawk man lost his wings
i really dont think cap could compare to deathstroke, as far as combat goes
Originally posted by THErONIN
Well cap is the definitely well balance out, but slade has one major adva, advantage, hes a master tactician
i read both marvel n DC comics and in Identity Crisis i seen slade take on green arrow, the flash, hawkman, elongated man and one of da green lanterns, at the end of the fight, flash had a stab wound in his chest, lanterns "ring" was broken< g arrow had a mouth full of blood, elongated man wasout for da count, and hawk man lost his wings
i really dont think cap could compare to deathstroke, as far as combat goes
That's what I'm saying. Many "prepped" fights, or fights where it's a job for Slade, he's still executing it with nothing but standard gear, close combat, like a regular fight. Sometimes it's hard to spot a difference between the two. The only factor is DS has probably taken time to visually analyze his opponents, and calculate weaknesses, etc. he's still moving 12 steps ahead of everyone due to speed and speed of thought. I've seen he prance around, taking out members before others can think to react time and again. Maybe the difference is that then he's just executing pre-calculated close combat, and random encounter he doesn't get to do so?
Make it a job, and DS will disassemble Cap and a small team of avengers close combat. bet.
Originally posted by namorsubbyEdit:
Good Lord. They asked Bru for his opinion so asking somebody for his opinion = dictator with a biased view? Hes written for both Cap and Batman.
What he says contradicts comics? Wait so theres a big sign in every Batman issue saying this feat is better than Caps? Kirby stated that Darkseid was superior to Galactus? Great so because one writer got something so obvoulsy wrong that means Brubaker is? No it doesn't. Theres a massive power scale between Darkseid and Galactus not Cap and Batman.
For the record thats at least two writers who think Cap >Batman. Again Captain America enemies > Batmans. Caps enemies tend to be more powerful than Batmans therefore Cap > Batman.
Originally posted by DeadlineExactly, his opinion. Nuff' said. He seems to favor Cap as well.
Good Lord. They asked Bru for his opinion so asking somebody for his opinion = dictator with a biased view? Hes written for both Cap and Batman.What he says contradicts comics? Wait so theres a big sign in every Batman issue saying this feat is better than Caps? Kirby stated that Darkseid was superior to Galactus? Great so because one writer got something so obvoulsy wrong that means Brubaker is? No it doesn't. Theres a massive power scale between Darkseid and Galactus not Cap and Batman.
For the record thats at least two writers who think Cap >Batman. Again Captain America enemies > Batmans. Caps enemies tend to be more powerful than Batmans therefore Cap > Batman.
A Comic feats comparison, which has been done multiple times between these two, accounts for more than that.
Not true. Pick up some Batman comics.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Exactly, his opinion. Nuff' said. He seems to favor Cap as well.
Apart fom the fact you don't agree with him why does he favour Cap?
Originally posted by namorsubby
A Comic feats comparison, which has been done multiple times between these two, accounts for more than that.Not true. Pick up some Batman comics.
Like I told you before I have loads of Batman comics AND Captain America ones. It seems you don't have alot of Cap ones. I don't need to read anything. Batman comics that go over seven years = need to pick up Batman comics? Are you done now?
Originally posted by Deadline
Apart fom the fact you don't agree with him why does he favour Cap?Like I told you before I have loads of Batman comics AND Captain America ones. It seems you don't have alot of Cap ones. I don't need to read anything. Batman comics that go over seven years = need to pick up Batman comics? Are you done now?
Because he considers Batman "a guy who works out alot and is trained"(understatement of the year), and he wants to portray Cap as superior due to the SSS, which contradicts comic feats. But whatever.
yeah, maybe you should use reading glasses or something then, because Batman faces and owns supers all the time. In fact, it's something he's rather known for.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Because he considers Batman "a guy who works out alot and is trained"(understatement of the year), and he wants to portray Cap as more due to the SSS, which contradicts comic feats. But whatever.
Again he doesn't mean he simply works out he knows that Batman is exceptional. The point is Cap trains alot and is enhanced Batman isn't.
Originally posted by namorsubby
yeah, maybe you sure use reading glasses or something then, because Batman faces and owns supers all the time. In fact, it's something he's rather known for.
Ok you seem to be deaf. I know, he doesn't do it as much as Cap does.
Originally posted by Deadline
Again he doesn't mean he simply works out he knows that Batman is exceptional. The point is Cap trains alot and is enhanced Batman isn't.Ok you seem to be deaf. I know, he doesn't do it as much as Cap does.
Which is irrelevant according to feats, but meaningful according to his interpretation. Exactly.
Quick, how many superhumans has Cap ever fought, and how many has Batman?
Yeah, right. 😆
Originally posted by namorsubby
Which is irrelevant according to feats, but meaningful according to his interpretation. Exactly.
To an extent thats fine. I got a problem with you lambasting him just for having a difference of opinion.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Quick, how many superhumans has Cap ever fought, and how many has Batman?Yeah, right. 😆
Heres what you do. Take any year from Batman comics, compare it to a year from Captain America comics and you will see Cap comes out on top. I got a shitload of both and you can make comparisons.
Originally posted by Deadline
To an extent thats fine. I got a problem with you lambasting him just for having a difference of opinion.Heres what you do. Take any year from Batman comics, compare it to a year from Captain America comics and you will see Cap comes out on top. I got a shitload of both and you can make comparisons.
You've got more problems than that, but whatever.lol
I could make a comprehensive respect thread for either Batman or Captain America. Batgod is more often displayed than Capgod. simple
Originally posted by namorsubby
You've got more problems than that, but whatever.lol
Im fine. Im not the one who talks out of his arse on a regular basis and is rude about it as well.
Originally posted by namorsubbyI could make a comprehensive respect thread for either Batman or Captain America. Batgod is more often displayed than Capgod. simple
Again go through the comics and see how many superhuman each fights.
Fine man, whatever. This is Cap vs Slade. You should be focused more on why he loses to him than why he's not superior to Batman based on feats. lol
Back to topic
Originally posted by namorsubby
That's what I'm saying. Many "prepped" fights, or fights where it's a job for Slade, he's still executing it with nothing but standard gear, close combat, like a regular fight. Sometimes it's hard to spot a difference between the two. The only factor is DS has probably taken time to visually analyze his opponents, and calculate weaknesses, etc. he's still moving 12 steps ahead of everyone due to speed and speed of thought. I've seen he prance around, taking out members before others can think to react time and again. Maybe the difference is that then he's just executing pre-calculated close combat, and random encounter he doesn't get to do so?Make it a job, and DS will disassemble Cap and a small team of avengers close combat. bet.
This seems to be going in circles.
cap fans seems to be providing evidences and proving that capt is a superhuman while deathstroke fans (or fan) keeps ignoring this and being a hypocrite. It really rather pathetic, and Capt fans I advises to simply uses block for your own sake to retain your sanity, you can only hit your head against the ignorant wall before you yourself snap.
If not good luck and you have done more then enough to prove capt is just as much superhuman as slade.
peace.