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Originally posted by skywalker833
PT sidious.
He could die at level five or six. Grandmaster Yoda has already demonstrated swordsmanship and mastery of the Force in total parity with the Galactic Emperor's; Mace Windu's mastery of Vaapad and the shatterpoint charism afford him an undeniable advantage over the Dark Lord in lightsaber combat, though he is considerably inferior in Force strength.
Will Mace necessarily defeat him in a lightsaber duel, though? Sidious had displayed considerably superior speed in comparison to Mace Windu who is not immersed in Vaapad, so to speak (the novel confirms that he relied on it to gain a speed matching Sidious' own), and dominated him during most of the duel, clearly giving Mace a very hard time (look at Mace's facial expressions when they duel on the ledge). In addition, the novel says that Sidious was forced to drop his speed in order to get a force-enhanced grip on the ledge, something he will not necessarily have to do in a rematch. And, finally, Mace certainly needs some time to get 'immersed in Vaapad', and he can barely keep up with Sidious before he goes into that state. Sidious won't have the trouble of being forced to kill several other Jedi before Mace; Mace will have less time to prepare himself and match Sidious.
With all of these factors, do you think that Mace will win every time in a saber duel against the Emperor? I'm not too sure.
No, Obsidian, and here's to prove it:
"Vaapad made him an open channel, half of a superconducting loop completed by the shadow; they became a standing wave of battle that expanded into every cubic centimeter of the Chancellor's office. There was no scrap of carpet nor shred of chair that might not at any second disintegrate in flares of red or purple; lampstands became brief shields, sliced into segments that whirled through the air; couches became terrain to be climbed for advantage or overleapt in retreat. But there was still only the cycle of power, the endless loop, no wound taken on either side, not even the possibility of fatigue.
Impasse."
As you see, in their fight, this clearly displays that in pure saber-to-saber, Mace and Sidious were virtually equal- and this is factoring Windu's Vaapad, mind you, that allowed him to copy Sidious' superior speed and ferocity.
Windu didn't mop the floor with him. He had extreme difficulty (depicted by his facial expressions), and only barely won, thanks to his Shatterpoint ability.
Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Will Mace necessarily defeat him in a lightsaber duel, though? Sidious had displayed considerably superior speed in comparison to Mace Windu who is not immersed in Vaapad, so to speak (the novel confirms that he relied on it to gain a speed matching Sidious' own), and dominated him during most of the duel, clearly giving Mace a very hard time (look at Mace's facial expressions when they duel on the ledge). In addition, the novel says that Sidious was forced to drop his speed in order to get a force-enhanced grip on the ledge, something he will not necessarily have to do in a rematch. And, finally, Mace certainly needs some time to get 'immersed in Vaapad', and he can barely keep up with Sidious before he goes into that state. Sidious won't have the trouble of being forced to kill several other Jedi before Mace; Mace will have less time to prepare himself and match Sidious.
These factors sort of make me doubt that Windu is a hundred percent guaranteed of victory.