Darth Sidious runs the Gauntlet

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Anakin, Obi 1 and the arcs would stop the galactic emperor with extreme difficulty.

No they wouldn't. They get force raped.

Anakin is one of the few able to defeat sidious, kenobi is his equal. They could beat him, and they also have 20 specially trained by jango fett ARC troopers!

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
No they wouldn't. They get force raped.

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No, sir. Anakin may be able to beat him in sabers only, def not the force. And Anakin is more powerful than OB1 all around, OB1 just had the experience to capitalize on Anakin's cloudy mind.

They wouldn't come close. Look what Palp's did to Agen, Sasse and Kit in a matter of seconds when Mace was right there.

He fries the clones to charred bone and ash in a matter of seconds and then proceeds to dismantle the duo.

Yeah, but the two are nearly as powerful as mace, and yes, obi 1 is as good as anakin, and you would have to be naive not to realize that.

Obi-Wan is not as good as Anakin. Anakin has tremendous advantages in regards to physical attributes, he's more powerful in the Force, and he's a much more skilled duelist. The only reason why Anakin lost is because, as Nick Gillard said, his emotional state of mind at the time (and being a Jedi, Obi-Wan let go of his attachments, so he was not at a disadvantage anymore than when he fought Grievous). Plus, he also knew Anakin's moves like the back of his hand. While the same would apply to Anakin, it would still prolong a duel between the two.

Even so, he was still kicking his ass with melee assaults like the Dragon Sleeper. Kenobi had to resort to desperation tactics like lava skating, tightrope walking, et cetera; all just to unbalance the terrain so that he could have a chance at survival.

I wouldn't even say Kenobi's tactical intelligence is that much greater - if any - than Anakin's. He has more experience, but so did Count Dooku and compared to Obi-Wan, General Grievous had more as well. On paper, there's a large power gap between the two. In an even ground setting, Obi-Wan could never hope to win.

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Originally posted by Advent
Obi-Wan is not as good as Anakin. Anakin has tremendous advantages in regards to physical attributes, he's more powerful in the Force, and he's a much more skilled duelist. The only reason why Anakin lost is because, as Nick Gillard said, his emotional state of mind at the time (and being a Jedi, Obi-Wan let go of his attachments, so he was not at a disadvantage anymore than when he fought Grievous). Plus, he also knew Anakin's moves like the back of his hand. While the same would apply to Anakin, it would still prolong a duel between the two.

Even so, he was still kicking his ass with melee assaults like the Dragon Sleeper. Kenobi had to resort to desperation tactics like lava skating, tightrope walking, et cetera; all just to unbalance the terrain so that he could have a chance at survival.

I wouldn't even say Kenobi's tactical intelligence is that much greater - if any - than Anakin's. He has more experience, but so did Count Dooku and compared to Obi-Wan, General Grievous had more as well. On paper, there's a large power gap between the two. In an even ground setting, Obi-Wan could never hope to win.


Wow, that is sad.

Obi Wan defeated Anakin because of his tactical mind, not because of Anakin's stated. Anakin was a fool to jump, Obi-wan knew he was gonna.
In a battle, obi wan will win the majority of the time, even though anakin is a better fighter.

Originally posted by Advent
(and being a Jedi, Obi-Wan let go of his attachments, so he was not at a disadvantage anymore than when he fought Grievous). Plus, he also knew Anakin's moves like the back of his hand.

exactly, which are two more reasons why obi 1 would win.
I admit Anakin is a better swordsman. I also admit yoda, mace windu, count dooku, and emperor palpatine are better. But in a fight against anakin, obi wan will win!

Originally posted by skywalker833
exactly, which are two more reasons why obi 1 would win.
I admit Anakin is a better swordsman. I also admit yoda, mace windu, count dooku, and emperor palpatine are better. But in a fight against anakin, obi wan will win!

Only if Anakins is not the right state of mind and they are fighting in a large open area so Obi can continue to give ground and use the environment to his advantage. If these factors are not part of the duel then Anakin will come out on top just about every time

Originally posted by skywalker833
Obi Wan defeated Anakin because of his tactical mind, not because of Anakin's stated. Anakin was a fool to jump, Obi-wan knew he was gonna.
In a battle, obi wan will win the majority of the time, even though anakin is a better fighter.
You're just wrong. Sorry.

If I wanted to play Devil's Advocate, I'd bring up ANH Obi Wan essentially stalemating ANH Vader, even though Obi Wan was a feeble old man and Vader was practicing killing lightsaber combat programmed droids and a bunch of Jedi (the conclave incident rings a bell).

OT Vader is utter garbage in comparison to his former self when it comes to his prowess with a blade. As much is factually stated. That is why he wasn't able to overcome Ben Kenobi.

In the movies? Yeah. In the book and comics? Naw. They still present him as being amazing with a blade.

"For those craving a more specific explanation, keep in mind that Lucas has said that we've never seen true Jedi fighting in the original trilogy. In other words, the skill and power that Anakin shows as a young man is greater than what we see in the classic films. As Vader, Anakin is more machine than man, and being a half-droid construct has seriously hampered his lightsaber prowess."

-- Starwars.com, Episode IV Lore.

It doesn't matter what the EU displays; the official stance is that Vader is a joke in comparison to Anakin. And I'm inclined to agree.

You'd have to be a fool not to agree.

Lol, I think you missed my point. Ben Kenobi, obviously, was also hampered when compared to his younger, ROTS self. Yet he was still able to stalemate Vader until he sacrificed himself.

That was my initial point. No high ground explanation. No tactical advantage. Just skill.

It was also said that Kenobi knew he couldn't win and sacrificed himself as a distraction for Luke and friends to escape.