Originally posted by fascistcrusader
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No, he is in fact busting the planet, using his own power to do what he pleases with it. By your logic Pyron is just manipulating planets by putting them inside of him and making them destroy themselves, he isn't actually "busting" them.
How is he using his own power if he's doing it by manipulating the life stream of the planet? He's using his power to manipulate something within the planet to make it destroy itself, he's not, for example, using some attack of special ability to simply blow it up, so much as he is just rapidly rotting said planet by tainting it. Here's an example:
If you were to put Magneto on a planet that's entire structural integrity was made completely of metal, he would manipulate the metal of the planet so that it destroyed itself. This doesn't make him a planet buster however. because he is affecting something within the planet to make it kill itself, he is not destroying the planet with his own power, he is using the sensitivity his body and the lifeforce have to each other to essentially do his bidding. That is different then, say, Kid Buu using his own power, a ki beam, to simply blow up the planet, irregardless of the planet's characteristics. I'll cut to where I'm going with this:
Sephiroth destroying a planet by manipulating it's life force is a plot device and is not applicable in a fight unless the opponent is connected to the life force, because Sepiroth's planet busting abilities depend on the target having a connection to the life force and as such being vulnerable to his manipulative powers, as opposed to Buu just using an attack with so much raw energy in it that it destroys whatever his target is. because Pyron is not connected to the life stream or whatever you call it, he will not be affected by any of Sephiroth's life stream manipulation attacks. It's similar to the argument people were trying to use about jedi being unable to affect something that isn't apart of the force, though they were wrong because Jedi can affect things that exist outside of the force.
In order for your life stream/planet busting feat to hold any water in this type of argument, you'd have to prove that sephiroth can do these same things to something isn't connected to the life stream and is not apart of his universe.
On an unrelated note, this keyboard sucks ass and I hate it. it doesn't fit my fingers at all.
How is he using his own power if he's doing it by manipulating the life stream of the planet? He's using his power to manipulate something within the planet to make it destroy itself, he's not, for example, using some attack of special ability to simply blow it up, so much as he is just rapidly rotting said planet by tainting it. Here's an example:
If you were to put Magneto on a planet that's entire structural integrity was made completely of metal, he would manipulate the metal of the planet so that it destroyed itself. This doesn't make him a planet buster however. because he is affecting something within the planet to make it kill itself, he is not destroying the planet with his own power, he is using the sensitivity his body and the lifeforce have to each other to essentially do his bidding. That is different then, say, Kid Buu using his own power, a ki beam, to simply blow up the planet, irregardless of the planet's characteristics. I'll cut to where I'm going with this:
Now that's just silly. If Magneto blows up a metal planet, he's using his own power. According to your logic Buu is just using a ki beam to make the planet destroy itself, its a very silly argument, chief.
Sephiroth destroying a planet by manipulating it's life force is a plot device and is not applicable in a fight unless the opponent is connected to the life force, because Sepiroth's planet busting abilities depend on the target having a connection to the life force and as such being vulnerable to his manipulative powers, as opposed to Buu just using an attack with so much raw energy in it that it destroys whatever his target is. because Pyron is not connected to the life stream or whatever you call it, he will not be affected by any of Sephiroth's life stream manipulation attacks. It's similar to the argument people were trying to use about jedi being unable to affect something that isn't apart of the force, though they were wrong because Jedi can affect things that exist outside of the force.
In order for your life stream/planet busting feat to hold any water in this type of argument, you'd have to prove that sephiroth can do these same things to something isn't connected to the life stream and is not apart of his universe.
Now you're getting ridiculous. Sephiroth made his own lifestream, he simply willed it into existence. He isn't manipulating anything, I'm afraid he needs no lifestream to fight.
The hypocrisy of you thinking the Jedi, who simply manipulate the force, can affect things outside of the force, but think Sephiroth just manipulates lifestream and can't do anything to non lifestream planets is insane, and rather fanboyish. The Jedi can't use the force on things outside the force, like the vong, and Sephiroth isn't bound by the lifestream. Besides which, lifestream itself can be used as a weapon against anything, so its not like his negative mako wouldn't help.
Sephiroth either TK pwns Pyron or he could will pyron's energy to be his own and destroy him.
I'm afraid if a Dracula cosplayer can destroy Pyron, a god like Sephiroth would laugh at him.
Well because Sephiroth can make a planet's energy his and make his own lifestream, that doesn't necessarily mean he can make the powers of random entities', his also.
And I think he means Buu's energy is enough to destroy a planet-sized object, not to turn a planet's substance against itself and destroy it.
Well because Sephiroth can make a planet's energy his and make his own lifestream, that doesn't necessarily mean he can make the powers of random entities', his also.
Lifestream is simply energy,if Sephiroth can make his own version of one energy he can make his own version of others. A negative Pyron wouldn't be that hard for him to make.
And I think he means Buu's energy is enough to destroy a planet-sized object, not to turn a planet's substance against itself and destroy it.
Magneto doesn't make metal turn against itself either, he uses his own power to crush it an manipulate it as he pleases. I'm simply pointing out all the holes in his points.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
[B] [iNow that's just silly. If Magneto blows up a metal planet, he's using his own power.He's using his powers to manipulate something within the planet into killing itself.
[quote]According to your logic Buu is just using a ki beam to make the planet destroy itself, its a very silly argument, chief.
Um... no he's not.
Now you're getting ridiculous. Sephiroth made his own lifestream, he simply willed it into existence. He isn't manipulating anything, I'm afraid he needs no lifestream to fight.
But he still destroyed the planet through the lifestream, which is something that Pyron does not have. Can you prove that Sephiroth's life stream abilities can affect Pyron and other entities that exist outside of the FF universe?
The hypocrisy of you thinking the Jedi, who simply manipulate the force, can affect things outside of the force, but think Sephiroth just manipulates lifestream and can't do anything to non lifestream planets is insane, and rather fanboyish.
How is it fanboyish? We've seen Jedi affect things that are not apart of the force. The Vong are actual real, living, proof. That is not fanboyish.
The Jedi can't use the force on things outside the force, like the vong,
Wow. How incredibly wrong you are. The Vong can not be sensed through the force, however force attacks can still be used upon them.
" Perhaps most notably, the Yuuzhan Vong were unable to be sensed through the Force. However, Force attacks were capable of being used upon them. This confounded the Jedi who first encountered the Yuuzhan Vong because prior to their emergence all life forms were thought to have a Force energy signature.."
and Sephiroth isn't bound by the lifestream. Besides which, lifestream itself can be used as a weapon against anything,
Prove it would affect something that isn't apart of the FF universe.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Lifestream is simply energy,if Sephiroth can make his own version of one energy he can make his own version of others.
No-Limit fallacy.
Magneto doesn't make metal turn against itself either, he uses his own power to crush it an manipulate it as he pleases. I'm simply pointing out all the holes in his points.
That was my point. 😬 If you were to disrupt the structural integrity of a building, the building would fall even if the buildings material was different then the objects being manipulated.
Originally posted by Blax_HydraliskAnd for the record, Pyron wins with comical ease.
That's a save.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Both are at full power, who wins?Its quite obvious to me that Sephiroth would dominate Pyron, simply wishing him out of existence with his superior physical, telekinetic, and magic abilities.
That made me lol.
Originally posted by fascistcrusader
I see none of you are even trying to defend Pyron, at least you realize your cause is lost. I'm afraid the creators of FF VII have said that Sephiroth was using absolutely zero effort in Advent Children, and even then he was destroying the planet. Sephiroth at full power can merely will a planet to not exist, and I'm afraid no silly fanboy delusions or psuedohumorous image macros will ever change that, sorry. : (
The only thing Sephiroth destroyed in Advent Children was a few buildings. Of course he was using absolutely zero effort, because he barely did anything. All he did was swing his sword and summon the bad-ass clouds (which he did nothing with but intimidate).
If .05% of his efforts are zero, then 100% of his efforts are zero as well. Mathematicly speaking of course.
Originally posted by SHM
AC Sephiroth being his most powerful form ever, is true. AC Sephiroth not using his full power against Cloud, is true too.
But saying that Sephiroth used only 0,5% of his power, is bullshit. They never gave an actual percentage.Anyway... Pyron rapes.
Actually he said .05%, which means: 0.05% 😛
Silly Darkstalkers fanboys, characters from that game just aren't very strong.
I'm afraid that Sephiroth is a planet buster, champ. : ( He can destroy planets with his own willpower.
Even more sad is that Pyron lost to nothing more than a vampire, and couldn't eat Earth, a small planet, even with 65 million years of prep time. Pyron would just be wiped from existence, seeing as how Sephiroth is a god. Sorrry kids, I'm afraid Pyron wouldn't win this fight. : (