Originally posted by Juk3n
and he done this without an insane plot device working for him?
he did this with just h2h combat?
and if he did..you just accept it without questioning? PIS much?
this isnt marvel. there was no plot device. he did it with PURE hand to hand combat versus gray fox in the exoskeleton. gray fox endured and lifted the foot of METAL GEAR REX, when it was beign STOMPED DOWN {adding many times to the force of gravity} on top of snake. this was the same gray fox who was CUTTING individual bullets in two in midair. ther was no plot device, snake it just that good. its a game that mixes natural with supernatural. AGAIN, im saying this, you can NOT take snake for a human leveller whn comparing with media like marvel etc.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
snake's hand to hand is insane. cap can not keep up as much as i like him.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
their physical stats are NOT equal. you are thinking of snake as a human again. its only a label in mgsverse. the shield would only give snake a bigger surface to grapple with, the same way rifles do, they are prime targets for cqc. cap is outclassed here.
Beating a guy that is stronger then cap doesnt mean that he is stronger aswell since we all know that cap has beat people way stronger then him. and grey fox can not lift hundreds of tons, maybe 60 -70 something but definatly not more then 100
Originally posted by MarvelknightFinal Smash is from Super Smash Bros.
Smash?? I don't remember any weapon by that name.
CQC is one thing. But Snake, Big Boss, and The Boss's CQC is another.
As for the fight...Cap's shield gives him a major advantage in this fight. And Cap's a more strategic thinker and fighter. While I think Snake is stronger and a little bit faster that really isn't going to mean much against a smarter fighter who isn't that much slower than Snake. As much as I like Snake (unless he did something extreme in MGS4 since I haven't played it yet) he's loosing this fight mostly because of Cap's brains and shield. Though it's going to take a lot to put Snake down but Cap has the endurance so it doesn't really matter how long it takes.
And if stats are the same then it's even easier for Cap to win.
gray fox lifted the foot of metal gear while it was being SMASHED down on top of him, metal gear itself is well over a hundred tons{its a friggin building of pure metal for frig's sake} and snake defeated him in purely hand to hand combat. as for speed, gray fox could easily CUT incoming bullets out of the AIR. and snake still bested him. snake has dodged bullets on a NUMBER of occasions. also snake's CQCd vamp, who was fighting sumwhat on par with raiden with his exoskeleton{and he is more like on the thousands of tons range of strength seeing as he stopped and put a collossal dent in OUTER HAVEN! with one arm MISSING}
again, snake doesnt need the super soldier serum. his stats are already way above any human in marvel. {minus the pis ofcourse, like panther holding up surfer lol}
Originally posted by leonheartmm
gray fox lifted the foot of metal gear while it was being SMASHED down on top of him, metal gear itself is well over a hundred tons{its a friggin building of pure metal for frig's sake} and snake defeated him in purely hand to hand combat. as for speed, gray fox could easily CUT incoming bullets out of the AIR. and snake still bested him. snake has dodged bullets on a NUMBER of occasions. also snake's CQCd vamp, who was fighting sumwhat on par with raiden with his exoskeleton{and he is more like on the thousands of tons range of strength seeing as he stopped and put a collossal dent in OUTER HAVEN! with one arm MISSING}again, snake doesnt need the super soldier serum. his stats are already way above any human in marvel. {minus the pis ofcourse, like panther holding up surfer lol}
hm beat them but hes still not as fast as them or as strong as them he beat them because of the game equivilent of pis/ just bullshit to make you seem more badass
^no it isnt piss, its skill. this isnt marvel or dc, so stop judging it by those standards. you cant FORCE it to become pis if it isnt. snakes other feats as well as the feats of other HUMANS in mgsverse are consistant with this showing. {yes humans in mgsverse can also block turret fire with a single sword, take human raiden for instance} hence destroying the PIS argument.
Cap was experimented on. Snake is an experiment. If you understand the reason for Snake creation. You can begin to understand what he is all about. The Patriots wanted to create the most powerful soldier ever. A clone of the greatest living soldier of the 20th century, Big Boss. Grey Fox before the exoskeleton suit, was already experimented on. His code name was Null at the time (1970) and his physical abilities were augmented. He was fast enough to dodge automatics by simply moving or block them with a blade. The exoskeleton suit augmented his abilities even more. So Snake's Battle with Grey Fox in the mine field, 1999 in Zanibar Land, Grey Fox already had superhuman speed and agility. And Snake defeated him. In 2005 at Shadow Moses, Snake took on and defeated an enhanced Grey Fox in an exoskeleton suit. Along with member of FOX-HOUND and a group of experimental soldiers. All of their abilities augmented to high levels via gene manipulating. Best of all his clone twin, Liquid Snake (who is physically and genetically Solid Snake's superior). In 2014, a rapidly aging Snake (age 42 but his body is of the age of a man in his late 50's) took on Vamp (A scout with superhuman speed, reflexes, and regeneration via nanomachines). He also took out the Snake Hounds aka Beauty and the Beast and Liquid-Occelot (Liquid's mind inside of Occelot's body with the combine skills of both Revolver Occelot and Liquid Snake). And that was an older Snake. We are talking about a younger Snake here with the "Super Soldier Serum".
And not one of them has Cap's shield plus his tactical mind. He's a much smarter fighter than Snake, and add that with them both having the same exact stats the smarter fighter is going to win. Even with their normal stats I'd still give Cap the win though I think Snake is possibly stronger but Cap is a much smarter fighter. And even if Snake is faster under normal conditions it's not enough to really make a difference.
Originally posted by Kento
And not one of them has Cap's shield plus his tactical mind. He's a much smarter fighter than Snake, and add that with them both having the same exact stats the smarter fighter is going to win. Even with their normal stats I'd still give Cap the win though I think Snake is possibly stronger but Cap is a much smarter fighter. And even if Snake is faster under normal conditions it's not enough to really make a difference.