Originally posted by RageOfTheGodsSo a 5d djinn could beat Thanos here?
CoIE Spectre wins this........he was stalemating a being about two destroy the entire Multiverse........one of the beings who was powering Spectre could defeat Thanos with the IG (The 5D Djinn).........Spectre wins this.......
What makes you claim this?
Originally posted by quanchi112
So a 5d djinn could beat Thanos here?What makes you claim this?
Well seeing as how a 5D Djinn is the next step from an Imp and a 5D Djinn was defeating Imps here and there.......I assume a 5D Djinn has a good as chance as any of defeating Thanos.........
Anyways........
Who has Thanos defeated that is more powerful than Universal.......it has been a while since I read it but I do not recall any Multiversal beings trying to defeat Thanos.........
What has Thanos shown that he has a chance against a being who was struggling for the dominance of the Multiverse and was so powerful that he saw concepts that not even his master himself could imagine........
First, how did the Spectre defeat the AM? He failed and couldn't do it alone and somehow that is used to say he defeated him…okay. Second, everybody doesn't agree that the LT and Spectre are the same power level. One is second in command to the TOAA and the other well isn't second in command at all. He's just the wraith of God. So, basically yeah that is a lot of power but not the diversity AND power the Thanos with the IG would wield. Speaking of which the LT wished it away and for them not to work together but Adam didn't fight him on it. if he didn't it wouldn't have been an easy fight. I don’t see spectre being able to do this at all. One is a judge and jury the other is the wraith of god. This is a tough battle no doubt but with all the gems at his disposal and this is Thanos for God's sake I think he uses them all for a majority victory 6/10
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First, how did the Spectre defeat the AM? He failed and couldn't do it alone and somehow that is used to say he defeated him…okay. Second, everybody doesn't agree that the LT and Spectre are the same power level. One is second in command to the TOAA and the other well isn't second in command at all. He's just the wraith of God. So, basically yeah that is a lot of power but not the diversity AND power the Thanos with the IG would wield. Speaking of which the LT wished it away and for them not to work together but Adam didn't fight him on it. if he didn't it wouldn't have been an easy fight. I don’t see spectre being able to do this at all. One is a judge and jury the other is the wraith of god. This is a tough battle no doubt but with all the gems at his disposal and this is Thanos for God's sake I think he uses them all for a majority victory 6/10
Hasn't Spectre received some kind of recton/upgrade since COIE? That would seem to imply that LT would actually be superior to that particular version if we acknowledge them as equals now.
So if we lose the direct LT/Spectre comparison as a reliable gauge of abilities shouldn't we be examining actual feats from Spectre before handing him the win here? I'm completely in the dark about most of Spectre's feats so don't think I'm saying that Thanos trumps him in that department, I was just addressing the notion that since LT>IG, and Spectre=LT, then Spectre>Gauntlet.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Question... Spectre was amped by the powers of a handful of magicians in Crisis on Infinite Earths. Captain Marvel was amped by ALL magicians in Day of Vengeance. Did Spectre really gain a significant amp when he was amped to a far lesser degree? Or am I missing something?
I do not remember all the magicians that were powering him but the ones powering Spectre were the most powerful magicians left in all of the DCU..........
There was even a 5D Djinn......also Spectre was powerful before CoIE I believe.......was he not depowered after those events.......
Originally posted by PhilosophÃ_a
I'm pretty sure that I can prove that Spectre is overall more powerfull than Living Tribunal. I'd even be willing to do this in a battlezone if anyone is willing to do it, although I will not do it with debators of Quanchi's calibur ..
You very well could since LT's showings are few and far between... However I will say the few apperances he makes is almost allways with a solid show of power (in some sharp ore Form) but I'm not in any way interested in taking a battle zone with you Eric, I have found that when I run into you long and detailed post I have a tendency to completely agree...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Question... Spectre was amped by the powers of a handful of magicians in Crisis on Infinite Earths. Captain Marvel was amped by ALL magicians in Day of Vengeance. Did Spectre really gain a significant amp when he was amped to a far lesser degree? Or am I missing something?
Originally posted by Philosophía
I'm pretty sure that I can prove that Spectre is overall more powerfull than Living Tribunal. I'd even be willing to do this in a battlezone if anyone is willing to do it, although I will not do it with debators of Quanchi's calibur ..
Hmmm overall more powerful.......how can you prove this?
Originally posted by fangirl101
Just becuz The LT is 2nd after the TOAA and The Spectre is not doesn't mean they are not equal. what the hell kind of reasoning is that? That is like saying Japans 2nd biggest city is equal to America's 2nd biggest city. Um no. Position has nothing at all to do with relative power. Or dont' you forget that the LT was 3rd to TOAA when Thanos had the heart. he was the same power level, but bumped down on the chain. So Position alone is NOT indicative of power level.
So, your saying being second in chain of command doesn't indicate power levels compared to somebody lets say 5th? I think it's fair to say and most would say it CAN and has indicated power levels and the hierarchy of power such classifications have been given. Furthermore, your example of populations of cities was really a horrible analogy and I really don't need to address it. Of course population doesn't equate to power and thus isn't relevant to this conversation about power alone.
A better analogy is this….. Lets say you have Japan (DC) and U.S. (Marvel) in a power lifting competition. You have lifter X(Presence) for Japan and Y (TOAA) for the U.S. who represent the top of the foot chain the best lifters in those respected countries who are peers. Then you have someone who is the 5th (for arguments sake)best lifter in Japan(Spectre) against the 2nd best lifter in the U.S. (The LT). If it's safe to assume that the Presence and TOAA are equal thus the hierarchy below them and their respective position is a pretty good summary of their power levels in general.
Your analogy of Thanos w/ HOTU is a poor one again because it was TOAA who granted him that power to surpass the LT. Much the same as Scathan was acting on order from TOAA. So, when someone is granting more power to someone or normally would be less then an other proves nothing. Fact, is this and there is no argument about this….. Thanos with the IG is way more versatile then the Spectre. He has control over time, power, reality to name a few. The spectre just has a lot of power but not the versatility to win this fight for a majority. It's no stomp by any means but imo Thanos would win the majority based on that versatility.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, your saying being second in chain of command doesn't indicate power levels compared to somebody lets say 5th? I think it's fair to say and most would say it CAN and has indicated power levels and the hierarchy of power such classifications have been given. Furthermore, your example of populations of cities was really a horrible analogy and I really don't need to address it. Of course population doesn't equate to power and thus isn't relevant to this conversation about power alone.A better analogy is this….. Lets say you have Japan (DC) and U.S. (Marvel) in a power lifting competition. You have lifter X(Presence) for Japan and Y (TOAA) for the U.S. who represent the top of the foot chain the best lifters in those respected countries who are peers. Then you have someone who is the 5th (for arguments sake)best lifter in Japan(Spectre) against the 2nd best lifter in the U.S. (The LT). If it's safe to assume that the Presence and TOAA are equal thus the hierarchy below them and their respective position is a pretty good summary of their power levels in general.
Your analogy of Thanos w/ HOTU is a poor one again because it was TOAA who granted him that power to surpass the LT. Much the same as Scathan was acting on order from TOAA. So, when someone is granting more power to someone or normally would be less then an other proves nothing. Fact, is this and there is no argument about this….. Thanos with the IG is way more versatile then the Spectre. He has control over time, power, reality to name a few. The spectre just has a lot of power but not the versatility to win this fight for a majority. It's no stomp by any means but imo Thanos would win the majority based on that versatility.
Originally posted by PhilosophíaSpectre jobs way too much to too many opponents and situations for me to consider him Living Tribunal's equal. Living Tribunal has jobbed to Korvac, Scathan and Thanos w/ THOTU. One of the best feats that people like to throw around for Spectre is when he manages to become one with the universe and become one with everything. Hell, Living Tribunal managed to grant that to Silver Surfer like he was giving out candy for Halloween. Just my two cents. Others are more suited to a battlezone though.
I'm pretty sure that I can prove that Spectre is overall more powerfull than Living Tribunal. I'd even be willing to do this in a battlezone if anyone is willing to do it, although I will not do it with debators of Quanchi's calibur ..
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Spectre jobs way too much to too many opponents and situations for me to consider him Living Tribunal's equal. Living Tribunal has jobbed to Korvac, Scathan and Thanos w/ THOTU. One of the best feats that people like to throw around for Spectre is when he manages to become one with the universe and become one with everything. Hell, Living Tribunal managed to grant that to Silver Surfer like he was giving out candy for Halloween. Just my two cents. Others are more suited to a battlezone though.