There is no point in continuing identical argumetns in two threads. We can continue this in the other.
As to the REAL topic of this thread: I hope Bane doesnt' become the series' number 1 villian. He's too much of a marginal character in the long run especially when there are so many potential villians floating around this series.
Yes, but unfortunately shown to be a more exciting one. Dooku is still shown as a stiff and Ventress an ego-trip.
Part of the problem with never having the bad guys win is that they seem incompetant. Its why Vader is the only convincing Villian in the movies (Maul is ok). He wins.
No villian in this series has won.
It is simplistic, but its boring. It may work for films, where you're limited to 12-16 hours of footage over three decades. However, it doensn't work for 50 hours of a television series. You need to keep the audience engaged, unless Filoni is trying to suggest that the Seps were never a threat to the Republic or the Jedi (only seperatist leaders). If this is the case, I wonder what the point of making this series was.
Aside form that on-topic point. Winless villians is NOT SW. Vader clearly had wins in the OT. Hoth was an arsewhooping. Alderaan is undebatable. He even gets to toss rebel Captains around like ragdolls and capture Rebel Cruisers. We've seen no such villian have any similar success in Clone Wars. Every seperatist "win" is simply a comeback from a previous loss (ie Cloak of Darkness)
And are you trying to start fights or what is going on here?
Do we all have to agree with you or suffer your temper?
I don't agree with you always, face it. I do share your antipathy with the Clone Wars, but calling simple isn't the cause of why TCW sucks. To me it's more the ease, the lack of ambition, lack of any emotional relevance that makes this series so feeble.
No. You dont have to agree. We've never agreed. What you have to do is not be a dikut'la to me. I prefer we DONT agree. Then we have something to talk about. What I've tried to express to you is that I feel you're being a ____ about disagreeing.
Perfect example right here about why you tick me off.
You go off on this BS about villains never winning in tCW being part of "SW simplicity." I call you on it, noting that villains never winning is NOT part of the Star Wars style. (The mythos is that evil eventually loses, but since the plotline ended in 1983/2005, we dont have to worry about adhering to that principle at all here.) You then 1.ignore the fact you just made a bad argument (again..though at least you didn't demand you were right this time) and 2. make up your own "falsities" about mine. If this cycle stopped, I know we'd have much less of a problem. Maybe you have your own problems with me (beyond that you dont like how I follow your own forum rules on speculation), but you haven't tried to discuss them in private as I have.
I never said that its "simplicity" makes it a bad show. I said "You need to keep the audience engaged." Making the audience fear for the protagonists is a great way to do that. But, there are other ways to do that without having villains winning form time to time. This goes under the category of "emotional relevance." Simplicity isn't a problem in itself, its a secondary symptom. We are in agreement about why this series has been entertaining and utterly forgettable.
The clone matter to me. The problem is they dont to the audience. It seemed to me she was more crying over failing then losing men that she/we know and cared about. To most audience members, thay are still grunts dying. We can spend two episodes about fow funny it is to tie Dooku to Kenobi and send them running around in circles, but we can't focus on what it means for a man to lose his life.
Nahdar Vebb is the perfect example. Yeah, they FINALLY showed a Jedi dying, but we had no connection to him and Fisto was still smiling afterwards. We need more characters we care about (a problem with the series) and we need them to die (another problem with the series). This is War! afterall.
Ben Kenobi was not the most developed character in the SW universe when he died, but his death is still one of the most powerful moments in the Saga. I'd like to see something even TRYING to approach that level.
Rookies actually ended up not being my favorite. Filoni has indicated that we will see clones repeat. However, I think stories more like Waxer and Boil in Innocents of Ryloth would be a great concept.
Rookies was a good start, but it was more focused on clones and less about them. Innocents really showcased clones in war. I feel I "learned" much more about them there then in Rookies.
tCW still hasn't pushed clones as well as other sources of EU hve. For "wanting to focus on the clones"...I'm underwhelmed. Though I would be interestd to see how far they push things, such as the EU romance between Bly and Aayla, etc. Given their topics so far, I doubt they'll cover such heavy material. That would actually make the show interesting.
Originally posted by queeq
Indeed. I think you may agree that a more prolonged story in the likes of Rookies may turn out to be great. One could follow a squad during the war. It would do wonders I think... Then add some major defeat here and there, the occasional cameo of a Jedi here and there and thing may be looking up.
Originally posted by Ordo
I've never seen the films, because I've heard they're disgustingly bad, but I've read the novel because, well its a classic and I love military sci-fi.I've long promoted a serious media endeavor to portray the Clone Wars as military science fiction.
the first one is great, the other two, not so much...