Luke Skywalker vs. Anakin Skywalker

Yes, but Anakin was stronger, and when he focused, he would probably crack his henzock head into the ground. If Anakin had slightly more time than ROTS, maybe he would've increased and beaten Palpatine and even Yoda.

Yeah, Anakin could've become more powerful than Sidious and Yoda (who are equals). But he never did.

That's my equasion.

Anakin about 3 years after ROTS

vs.

Luke about 14 years after ROTJ.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Dooku isn't half the force user Sidious is-

decimating people with one-handed lightning is far above Dooku's capability.

With a saber, it's closer, but Sidious is still... stronger

Sidious, meanwhile, has a body so broken by his usage of the Dark side (see Sithisis and anything post-Windu) that he needs the Force to function efficiently, and the RotS novel notes him to be a "very tired, very old man" after his duel with Yoda. Plus, Dooku has about nine inches in height on his master and a notably broader build. Safe to say, Palps doesn't even approach Dooku in physical strength.

That said, due to all the other advantages, Sidious would make short work of his apprentice in a balls-out fight. I was just being nitpicky cuz I can.

Originally posted by Gaevus Mesias
ROTS Anakin was still able to beat Palpy, as he stated to Yoda that he would become 2x stronger than them both.

You're also lying, because Anakin never stated he'd become '2x' as powerful as Yoda - George Lucas (big difference) said that given time, Vader could have become twice as powerful as Sidious. Not to mention that you'd be a fool to take Anakin's perspective on power at face value.

Mace, ahh, wouldn't stand a chance against Anakin,

Naga Sadow,

or even Palpatine, as I said in previous posts (do I have 2 quote) that Palpatine was obviously playing his loss like a piano, "Oh, i can't hold it any longer" "Don't kill me, plz!" Palpatine would've used Mace as a toilet cleaner had he wanted to.

Vaapad + shatterpoint = Win. Deal with it.

Btw, welcome to KMC. I'm Faunus. I can come off as crude, vulgar, and generally obnoxious, but that's only if you can read.

Actually, on Mustafar Anakin says, "I'm more powerful than he [Sidious] is. I can overthrow him."

Whether that's Anakin's spin on things or in fact the truth, is up for debate.

EDIT: As far as the theoretical Anakin 3 years after ROTS (assuming he isn't damaged from his Mustafar battle) vs. Luke 14 years after ROTJ, my opinion is that Anakin brutally sodomizes him with the hilt of his lightsaber. 😛 Anakin was a much better and formally trained duelist who has equal force potential. Not to mention that all evidence in the mythos (with the exception of Revan) points to Dark Siders being inherently more powerful than Lightsiders. Case in point, Count Dooku - who was more powerful after turning to the Dark Side. Exar Kun, same thing. Caedus, anyone? There are more examples others can think of, I'm sure.

Also, Anakin is absolutely merciless, with none of the moral qualms of absolutely destroying Luke. Darth Vader without injuries, given a few years to learn from Sidious after ROTS, would outright destroy anyone.

Anakin lies. He also notes Obi-Wan (in AotC, mind you) to be "as wise as Master Yoda, and as powerful as Master Windu."

Originally posted by Enyalus
Actually, on Mustafar Anakin says, "I'm more powerful than he [Sidious] is. I can overthrow him."

Whether that's Anakin's spin on things or in fact the truth, is up for debate.

Anakin is overconfident on Mustafar. The opposite can't even be debated. It's so obvious it's silly.

Originally posted by Faunus
Anakin lies. He also notes Obi-Wan (in AotC, mind you) to be "as wise as Master Yoda, and as powerful as Master Windu."

Qui-Gon mentions that Obi-Wan is also exceptionally wise. And he does show remarkable foresight by stating that Anakin is dangerous, along with sensing something unusual while aboard the Trade Federation ship. Clearly, he's very wise.

Also, we know that Mace Windu wasn't too accomplished with the Force, and preferred developing his saber skills. *shrugs* He never says that Obi-Wan would be able to defeat Mace or Yoda, as his stance with Sidious indicates.

Also, I edited my former post to include more detail.

damnbangin that did a number on my arse. But apparantly, Exar Kun (my altime fav) just informed me that Anakin just a couple of years after ROTS could probably have some hope of clipping Palpatine up the ass. Also, if Yoda is equal to Sidious, then that would mean Mace is more powerful, cause if I'm right, Yoda=Sidious, Mace>Sidious. Bluh disgust

Mwahahah, I'm sure Exar Kun could just Force Fly over them and see how the battle's going.

Exar: "How's the battle going guyz?"
ROTJ Luke: death
NJO Luke: "My father is stronger than I thought, he nearly clubbed my ass"
EU Luke: "WHAHAHAHA!!"
ROTS Anakin: death
Older Anakin (no injuries): "WHAHAHAH!!"

Everything Faunus said has the virtue of being correct. He is only wrong when I disagree with him.

I know one thing 4 sure, me, Sith Maurader Gaevus Mesias, I practice Lightsaber Form III: Soresu and my power lvl. Exar Kun=Me power lvl.

Sidious even told Yoda that Anakin would become 2x more powerful if it wasn't for those injuries that made him look like a mixture of Kane and and burnt up piece of bacon.

This IS verbatum:

"You won't stop me, Darth Vader will become more powerful than EITHER OF US." Sidious said this to Yoda in their duel in Ep.3

Right...where does he say 'twice as powerful'?

Palpatine didn't say it, WOOKIEPEDIA said it, read it urself dude!! closedeyes

Oh. Yes, my mistake. I see the light! Wookieepedia, damn. I should have thought of looking there before making points to my arguments.

*sigh* If only I had better sources. Like the DVDs. Or novels...yeah, those would be helpful.

It's okay Enyalus, I've made those mistakes when I was a noob in Star Wars.

chair that's what would happen to Anakin in ROTS if he fought NJO Luke, seriously.

You either practice the most subtle sarcasm ever or you're a complete moron.

Originally posted by Gideon
Everything Faunus said has the virtue of being correct. He is only wrong when I disagree with him.

Well, I know this, Palpatine was said to have practiced Sith Alchemistry, or whatever. If Anakin had learned all that earlier than him, he would've fried Palpatine and Count Dracula (Dooku) at the same time.