Originally posted by Faunus
He's definitely at least half.
Sure he is. I was just using that state a point.
Originally posted by Faunus
Who did he decimate with one-handed lightning? I remember Dooku doing that to, off the top of my head, Anakin, Sora, and Quinlan Vos, and I'm sure there're more. With two-handed lightning, we have a room full of Kiffar or whatever they're called, Ventress, and others that I'm drawing a blank on.
The Sith Acolytes in the the comic where Maul and Vader fought.
And if we really want to gauge the difference of their lightning, Sidious- with one-handed gout of lightning (although he later switched it to two hands)- nearly overwhelmed and disarmed Yoda, while Dooku's lightning was blocked by Yoda effortlessly. Sidious was also referred to as a 'black hole in the force', and has feats of TK- like the wielding of the three heavy pods simultaneously, with ease- that seem to be above Dooku's, if memory serves.
Originally posted by Faunus
Puh-leez. The Count's physique was akin to that of someone half his age (putting him at a 'Real Age' of 41), he blocked two overhand strikes (Obi-Wan one hand, Anakin Skywalker using two) at the same time with one hand, and he kicked Anakin several meters through the air without even looking at him.Sidious, meanwhile, has a body so broken by his usage of the Dark side (see Sithisis and anything post-Windu) that he needs the Force to function efficiently, and the RotS novel notes him to be a "very tired, very old man" after his duel with Yoda. Plus, Dooku has about nine inches in height on his master and a notably broader build. Safe to say, Palps doesn't even approach Dooku in physical strength.
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With the force- in which Sidious' capacity is well above Dooku's- Sidious can, and will empower himself to a far greater extent than Dooku can. In natural physical combat, Dooku is far stronger than Sidious and, for that matter, Yoda. However, I believe the AotC novel states that Yoda was tearing through Dooku's defenses, forcing him to use two hands to block his attacks- thanks to force empowerment. Any reason why Sidious shouldn't do the same?
Originally posted by Faunus
That said, due to all the other advantages, Sidious would make short work of his apprentice in a balls-out fight. I was just being nitpicky cuz I can.
You little nitpick. Is that even a word?
Luke WOULD be as powerful as an uninjured Anakin would've been, but since probably couldn't achieve force powerz that Luke had simply due to temperamental. As I said in previous posts, Luke is much more patient than Anakin, and with his patience, he achieved many things.
Anakin is powerful, but he's too overconfident, and in time, just like his Mustafar duel, he'd make a mistake, and get dismembered, lying on the ground in a misshapen pile of shit
Originally posted by Master CrimzonPfft. Liar.
Sure he is. I was just using that state a point.
And if we really want to gauge the difference of their lightning, Sidious- with one-handed gout of lightning (although he later switched it to two hands)- nearly overwhelmed and disarmed Yoda, while Dooku's lightning was blocked by Yoda effortlessly.I don't know how you guage "effortlessly," since in one case it was a brief burst of one-handed lightning from forty or fifty feet away that did push his hand back as he stopped and redirected it with a notable look of exertion on his face (when he's on solid ground), and the other is a burst of one-handed lightning at point-blank range that hits his lightsaber when he's on the edge of a metal pod, forcing him to then grab onto it with his feet as another blast of full-power lightning comes his way.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Dooku could compete with Sidious on any real level as far as Force power is concerned - especially in the lightning department - but he's far from pathetic in comparison.
Sidious was also referred to as a 'black hole in the force', and has feats of TK- like the wielding of the three heavy pods simultaneously, with ease- that seem to be above Dooku's, if memory serves.Dooku brings down ceilings like it's his job (Yoda, Tholme), and was regarded as "a master of telekinesis" or something of the sort during his time as a Jedi Master. He certainly has displayed more intricate and developed kinetic techniques, such as choking Quinlan Vos, lifting him into the air, and pulling away his lightsaber in one motion while lying down.
But again, don't misunderstand me.
With the force- in which Sidious' capacity is well above Dooku's- Sidious can, and will empower himself to a far greater extent than Dooku can. In natural physical combat, Dooku is far stronger than Sidious and, for that matter, Yoda. However, I believe the AotC novel states that Yoda was tearing through Dooku's defenses, forcing him to use two hands to block his attacks- thanks to force empowerment.Quote?
Any reason why Sidious shouldn't do the same?I'm not ruling it out, but again, Dooku has demonstrated superior physical strength even against opponents half and a quarter his age. And it's not like Dooku can't increase augment his strength with his own considerable reserves of Force power.
You little nitpick. Is that even a word?Yeah, but I've never seen it used as a noun.
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I know one thing, if NJO Luke is sooo powrful, let's see him try and fight the ancient Sith Lords, Marka Ragnos, Exar Kun, Naga Sadow, Ludo Kreesh. They'll all decimate even Sidious. But Anakin and Luke both respectively in their primes could have some hope of beating them in an all out fight. Tulak Hord would pwn them all.
Sorry, but you're wrong yet again. Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord ever. So no, they couldn't decimate Sidious. And Luke, well, he's more powerful than Sidious, so there goes them beating Luke.
And Ragnos... give us some of his feats. Tell us intricate details as to why you think he's sooo powerful.
Both Anakin and Luke, at their full potential, could destroy anyone. Especially Anakin, were he to reach his full potential.
Sry, dude, you can't go unchallenged for 100 years like Ragnos and be called weaker than Sidious, dude, if Sidious is soo strong, how come people're saying that Mace planted him on his ass? I personally believe that Anakin and Luke in their primes could decimate anyone in an all-out duel. But in a Lightsaber duel, they'd probably loose.
As Kreia herself said;
"If you were to face an ancient Sith in Lightsaber combat, you'd know that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."
Originally posted by Faunus
Pfft. Liar.
Ur mom.
Originally posted by Faunus
I don't know how you guage "effortlessly," since in one case it was a brief burst of one-handed lightning from forty or fifty feet away that did push his hand back as he stopped and redirected it with a notable look of exertion on his face (when he's on solid ground), and the other is a burst of one-handed lightning at point-blank range that hits his lightsaber when he's on the edge of a metal pod, forcing him to then grab onto it with his feet as another blast of full-power lightning comes his way.
Even with that being said- which I disagree with, considering that Yoda had a few seconds to hold, show off his lightsaber, and get into a battle stance (he already experienced Sidious' lightning, ergo, he was prepared something like it)- Sidious, throwing his lightning at Yoda from a distance similar to Dooku, threw Yoda on his ass and knocked him out for a few seconds, despite Yoda raising his hand to block the attack (and failing epically).
Dooku's lightning also barely fazed Obi-Wan; Sidious' lightning, while being thrown from an inferior position, was sufficient to make Mace Windu, a highly physically conditioned being who leaves people like Obi-Wan in the dust, and has the added advantage of Vaapad, 'choke on ozone' and get overwhelmed by the force of Sidious' lightning.
Originally posted by Faunus
And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Dooku could compete with Sidious on any real level as far as Force power is concerned - especially in the lightning department - but he's far from pathetic in comparison.
'Pathetic in comparison'? Nah. But I don't think Sidious will have to exert any truly serious effort in order to defeat Dooku in a force fight.
Originally posted by Faunus
Dooku brings down ceilings like it's his job (Yoda, Tholme), and was regarded as "a master of telekinesis" or something of the sort during his time as a Jedi Master. He certainly has displayed more intricate and developed kinetic techniques, such as choking Quinlan Vos, lifting him into the air, and pulling away his lightsaber in one motion while lying down.
Still, Sidious- using only one hand, mind you- could levitate three heavy pods (after ripping them from strong, metallic bonds with sheer force power) and throw them at Yoda without any real- and apparent- effort. Count Dooku evidently had to concentrate when bringing down the ceiling on Yoda, and moved that weird thingy at Yoda in a speed considerably less than the speed at which Sidious threw his pods.
Originally posted by Faunus
But again, don't misunderstand me.
I won't.
Originally posted by Faunus
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"Dooku held strong, though, his red blade parrying brilliantly, each block backed by the power of the Force, or else Yoda's strikes would have driven right through."
I didn't remember it the exact way it was, but evidently, Dooku's natural strength was not sufficient to counter Yoda's force-enhanced power, and clearly had difficulty actually blocking the strikes.
Originally posted by Faunus
I'm not ruling it out, but again, Dooku has demonstrated superior physical strength even against opponents half and a quarter his age. And it's not like Dooku can't increase augment his strength with his own considerable reserves of Force power.
Well, this is from the RotS novel:
"Dooku felt himself blanch. Where had this come from? Skywalker came on, mechanically inexorable, impossibly powerful, a destroyer droid with a lightsaber: each step a blow and each blow a step. Dooku backed away as fast as he dared; Skywalker stayed right on top of him. Dooku's breath went short and hard. He no longer tried to block Skywalker's strikes but only to guide them slanting away; he could not meet Skywalker strength-to-strength-not only did the boy wield tremendous reserves of Force energy, but his sheer physical power was astonishing-"
Clearly, Anakin was outclassing Dooku in terms of strength, causing Dooku to quickly tire out. Palpatine doesn't have Anakin's strength, of course, but he could, with superior force power, logically have superior strength to Dooku's in combat.
Will it matter, though? Maybe, maybe not. I can't really tell.
Originally posted by Faunus
Yeah, but I've never seen it used as a noun.
You have now.
Originally posted by Faunus
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Originally posted by Gaevus MesiasYou can't argue against canon, so your opinion of Ragnos and Sidious, doesn't really mean shit. Sidious is the end all be all of Sith lords, and nothing, other than the word of George Lucas, can change that.
Sry, dude, you can't go unchallenged for 100 years like Ragnos and be called weaker than Sidious, dude, if Sidious is soo strong, how come people're saying that Mace planted him on his ass? I personally believe that Anakin and Luke in their primes could decimate anyone in an all-out duel. But in a Lightsaber duel, they'd probably loose.As Kreia herself said;
"If you were to face an ancient Sith in Lightsaber combat, you'd know that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."
Also, Kriea is a fallible source. If we took everyone's word at face value, then everyone would be the most powerful by someone's account.
Originally posted by Gaevus Mesias
Sry, dude, you can't go unchallenged for 100 years like Ragnos and be called weaker than Sidious, dude, if Sidious is soo strong, how come people're saying that Mace planted him on his ass? I personally believe that Anakin and Luke in their primes could decimate anyone in an all-out duel. But in a Lightsaber duel, they'd probably loose.
You're comparing apples and oranges. Marka Ragnos ruled for a century over a so-called 'empire' that was actually a small collection of backwater planets and territories because he actively feared contact with the Republic. Meanwhile, Palpatine ruled as Galactic Emperor after destroying that very same Republic, decimating the Jedi Order, and replacing it with "the most powerful tyrannical regime in history" (the Galactic Empire would crush Ragnos's ancient Sith 'empire' [a term I use loosely]). Not only did he rule the galaxy for two decades, but upon his death, he was reincarnated and conquered it again in less than a year.
Moreover, Palpatine's power was capable of blunting the senses of the entire Jedi Order, meriting the birth of a Chosen One to restore balance to the Force, and reducing fleets of ships capable of resisting gigatons of damage to their base particles. That is in far excess of what Ragnos has done.
As Kreia herself said;"If you were to face an ancient Sith in Lightsaber combat, you'd know that we are as children playing with toys compared to the prowess of the old masters."
You say Kreia herself as if she's some sort of source. She's a demented, fallible third party. She's not omniscient nor is she a canon source. Her opinions, stand alone, mean nothing.