the Triumvirate vs Sidious and Vader

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
And why wasn't he able to fully control the force storms? Simple, its because it is possibly the most destructive force attack ever and just look at th e sheer size of the vortex over pinnacle moon, the very fact that palpatine was able to control it to his will in he first place IS a testament to his power and contrl.

And please don't ramble about sions immortality, what is to prevent from sidious from overpowering sions will or using the force to prevent sion from holding his body?

And please don't label us "idiots", we are not like you.

I was complimenting his control over his body...
Not any ability to beat Sids

This is what I said

LIKE I'm talking to Idiots(and I KNOW I'm NOT)

Read my post closer

Originally posted by Big S
Prove that his lightning would be useless

No. That's what a Sith Sword does. It's in the definition.

hell ragnos with the uber sword and scepter couldn't defeat a JEDI KNIGHT known as jaden korr, so much for his l33t weapon.

His spirit was in a weak-ass acolyte's body. That's got to cut down on the potential he can achieve. Furthermore, he wasn't even destroyed - his spirit is still intact.

I'm tired of kissing Sidious' wrinkly ass. I want to argue that X, Y, and X characters can beat him. 😛

What ever, i'll argue later, too lazy to think and type now. 😖

Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Prove that his lightning would be useless, hell ragnos with the uber sword and scepter couldn't defeat a JEDI KNIGHT known as jaden korr, so much for his l33t weapon.

And defeating simus, an unknown means jack. And don't ramble about how he went unchallenged because i recall naga, the more powerful of the ancient sith(but lesser than ragnos) did absolutely nothing with the force but throw a [b]brick and i am going to assume ragnos can throw 2 bricks 😉 [/B]

Ragons inhabited the body of Tavion(hardly anywhere near his prime)
who was worn out (I doubt her body was as durable or had the strength or endurance of HIS Half-sith Half-human body)

Jaden Korr was a promising student, nothing more at that time.

The brick throwing was in the start of the fight and the fight never escalated to its potential thanks to Ragnos.

Originally posted by Enyalus

No. That's what a Sith Sword does. It's in the definition.

His spirit was in a weak-ass acolyte's body. That's got to cut down on the potential he can achieve. Furthermore, he wasn't even destroyed - his spirit is still intact.

I'm tired of kissing Sidious' wrinkly ass. I want to argue that X, Y, and X characters can beat him. 😛 [/B]

Ill argue that they couldn't.

Palpatine (like Skywalker) isn't infallible. Especially in regards to combat, where he seems to emphasize a more scholarly approach to the Force and its aspects rather than overpowering his opponents; there's a reason that this guy surrounds himself with Emperor's Hands, Imperial Inquisitors, Imperial Stormtroopers, Sovereign Protectors, Royal Guardsmen, Shadow Guardsmen, Darth Vader: he doesn't give a shit about combat. Is he more powerful than any Sith? Yes. Does that mean that he can necessarily defeat them all in combat? No. Does his relative level of power suggest that he could, despite being a politician first and warrior a distant, distant second? Yeah.

Comparing the Ancient Sith to Palpatine is also absurd. They rely on Sith arcana and technology to enhance their level of powers. Palpatine's feats are extraordinary because they are of his own merit. Of all of them, only a case for Ragnos can be made to rival the Emperor in any arena.

Ragnos was clearly a skilled duelist, evidenced by the battles he won, the empire he held together, and the fact that he went unchallenged. Plus his gauntlets granted him increased melee skill.

He was also a master manipulator who schemed to have his rivals destroy one another. Don't be ridiculous and assume they feared him solely because he's "just that uber."

I don't know if he'd win or not, assuming this isn't DE Sidious. But I think its very possible that he could.

Palpatine is, technically, stronger in the dark side than Ragnos as of RotS. In terms of destructive output, Ragnos will never, ever compare. Combat, however, is a different story.

Don't be ridiculous and assume they feared him solely because he's "just that uber."

So they feared that his powerful mind would devise schemes of turning them against one another? No, the Sith respect power. They feared and respected Ragnos because he was the strongest, as evidenced by the quote "most powerful of the powerful."

Palpatine is, technically, stronger in the dark side than Ragnos as of RotS. In terms of destructive output, Ragnos will never, ever compare. Combat, however, is a different story.

Yep. I already specified that he'd have a chance in combat. And mused that, with his knowledge of Sith sorcery and arcana, perhaps Ragnos could artificially enhance his powers beyond that of Sidious.

[sarcasm]God, you make such a compelling argument.[/sarcasm]

This is what you said:

Originally posted by the Ignored One
Ragnos was clearly a skilled duelist, evidenced by the battles he won, the empire he held together, and the fact that he went unchallenged. Plus his gauntlets granted him increased melee skill.

...You listed "the empire he held together, and the fact that he went unchallenged" as rationale for him being "clearly a skilled duelist."

What I said:

Originally posted by the Great One
Don't be ridiculous and assume they feared him solely because he's "just that uber."

'Solely'. I am a master of covering my ass. It's a concept you should learn. Was Ragnos feared because he was clearly the shit among Ancient Sith? Duh. Was it the only reason? No. I have two sources (Dark Side Sourcebook and the Essential Guide to the Force); you have a ridiculous lecture on Sith doctrine and philosophy. Furthermore, "the empire he held together"? Jesus Christ. Palpatine was the dictator of an unprecedented galactic hyperpower that would effortlessly annihilate Ragnos's Ancient Sith. If we compare them by dominion, Palpatine wins by a landslide.

Stop being an ass.

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Posted by Gideon
'Solely'. I am a master of covering my ass. It's a concept you should learn.

...That's purely semantics. In effect, we were saying the same exact thing. You need to quit being an ass and learn to read between the lines.

I assume you to be intelligent. I shouldn't have to spell out, in precise detail, my assertion. Especially if it's one you agree with.

Posted by Gideon
Palpatine was the dictator of an unprecedented galactic hyperpower that would effortlessly annihilate Ragnos's Ancient Sith. If we compare them by dominion, Palpatine wins by a landslide.

Galactic Empire vs. Sith Empire? Yeah, clearly. I wouldn't even consider arguing that. But whereas Palpatine had to sit around and persuade a Senate of non-Force sensitives and was protected by a powerful apprentice and numerous Dark Jedi, Ragnos went to council with other Sith Lords from corners of his empire. Beings who controlled vast portions of space and held private armies. Much like a feudal system.

If Palpatine had a problem, he could simply dissolve the Senate. If Ragnos had a problem, well, I'm assuming it wasn't quite that easy.

Gideon, you just said a unknown could defeat Sids..

Maybe the reason he surrounded himself with guards is that he was a lazy ****.

Originally posted by Enyalus
One more thing...

I'm not sure about this, but I don't believe Quey'tek would help Palpatine unless he's starting the battle from a location Nihilus can't see him. And, when he's immersed in the technique, would he even be able to do any of his own DS powers? My guess is not. I think he'd have to drop it as soon as he tries.

Originally posted by Enyalus
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...That's purely semantics. In effect, we were saying the same exact thing. You need to quit being an ass and learn to read between the lines.

I assume you to be intelligent. I shouldn't have to spell out, in precise detail, my assertion. Especially if it's one you agree with.

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Galactic Empire vs. Sith Empire? Yeah, clearly. I wouldn't even consider arguing that. But whereas Palpatine had to sit around and persuade a Senate of non-Force sensitives and was protected by a powerful apprentice and numerous Dark Jedi, Ragnos went to council with other Sith Lords from corners of his empire. Beings who controlled vast portions of space and held private armies. Much like a feudal system.

If Palpatine had a problem, he could simply dissolve the Senate. If Ragnos had a problem, well, I'm assuming it wasn't quite that easy. [/B]

Palpatine was also in control of grand moffs who had superweapons at their control. Plus Palpatine also had a lot of dark side user under his control. The prophets of the dark side were powerful force users, which were lead by Kadann, were servants of Palpatine. Kadann was a sith in all but name. Kadann was powerful enough to see the future, get in someone's mind, and use force lightning very efficiently. Jerec also held great power in the dark side. If was said that if Vader was not already the apprentice, then Jerec would have been

Originally posted by Gideon
[sarcasm]God, you make such a compelling argument.[/sarcasm]

This is what you said:

...You listed "the empire he held together, and the fact that he went unchallenged" as rationale for him being "clearly a skilled duelist."

What I said:

'Solely'. I am a master of covering my ass. It's a concept you should learn. Was Ragnos feared because he was clearly the shit among Ancient Sith? Duh. Was it the only reason? No. I have two sources (Dark Side Sourcebook and the Essential Guide to the Force); you have a ridiculous lecture on Sith doctrine and philosophy. Furthermore, "the empire he held together"? Jesus Christ. Palpatine was the dictator of an unprecedented galactic hyperpower that would effortlessly annihilate Ragnos's Ancient Sith. If we compare them by dominion, Palpatine wins by a landslide.

Stop being an ass.

Don't lecture me on intellect, Enyalus. When you and I go head-to-head, you are the one who always ends up conceding and fleeing the scene, tail tucked firmly between your legs.

Originally posted by Enyalus
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...That's purely semantics. In effect, we were saying the same exact thing. You need to quit being an ass and learn to read between the lines.

I assume you to be intelligent. I shouldn't have to spell out, in precise detail, my assertion. Especially if it's one you agree with.

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Galactic Empire vs. Sith Empire? Yeah, clearly. I wouldn't even consider arguing that. But whereas Palpatine had to sit around and persuade a Senate of non-Force sensitives and was protected by a powerful apprentice and numerous Dark Jedi, Ragnos went to council with other Sith Lords from corners of his empire. Beings who controlled vast portions of space and held private armies. Much like a feudal system.

If Palpatine had a problem, he could simply dissolve the Senate. If Ragnos had a problem, well, I'm assuming it wasn't quite that easy. [/B]

Originally posted by Tangible God
Why do you assume it wouldn't be so easy?

Because he identifies me as the big boy on campus and wants to prove his masculinity by standing up to me, or whatnot. Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. And then he makes random posts about me on other threads.

Why I have the ability to generate such obsession in others, I shall never know.

It's because you're irresistibly obnoxious, noob.

Originally posted by Gideon
Because he identifies me as the big boy on campus and wants to prove his masculinity by standing up to me, or whatnot. Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing. And then he makes random posts about me on other threads.

Why I have the ability to generate such obsession in others, I shall never know.

Reading some of the old-post, I would like to know what happened.

Originally posted by Faunus
It's because you're irresistibly obnoxious, noob.

Quiet. We must instill fear in the younglings. 😐

Originally posted by Gideon
Quiet. We must instill fear in the younglings. 😐