Proof Jesus is imaginary

Originally posted by lord xyz
No, sorry.

Look at it. It's about how "seeing god" isn't literal.

Originally posted by lord xyz
It's directed at christians and intended for christians.

And will be ignored by them.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then he is not omnipotent, and didn't keep his promise.

No, then he is not omnipotent or didn't keep his promise. Existence does not hinge on either one of those.

Originally posted by inimalist
here is the problem with your argument:

if God is unable to reveal himself to someone of no faith, then he is not omnipotent.

Why are you arguing that God works like a vending machine anyways? There is no reason to think that God would perform such trivial gestures in the first place, thus no reason to justify the lack of Jesus' appearance.

God doesn't work like a vending machine, so why do you seem to think he's unable to appear? If he appeared to those without full faith in him they would doubt it as being him, they might say "It was actually a demon pretending to be God" or "I'm seeing delusions".

But if this person has faith enough to see him they'd also be able to do miracles, which would prove that it really is God and that they are not going mad.
God himself said he answers those with enough faith, therefore through faith we know it's him who appeared to us.

He chooses not to appear to those without sufficient faith, that's it.

The next time you see a Christian come up to you and atleast attempts to perform a miracle through God (whether the miracle works or not) you know that person has more faith than most people.
Because you don't even see people attempt to perform a miracle through God infront of non-believers you know that people lack faith.

God did such "trivial gestures" in the days of Adam and Eve, so why not now? he walked and spoke with them.

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
God doesn't work like a vending machine, so why do you seem to think he's unable to appear? If he appeared to those without full faith in him they would doubt it as being him, they might say "It was actually a demon pretending to be God" or "I'm seeing delusions".

But if this person has faith enough to see him they'd also be able to do miracles, which would prove that it really is God and that they are not going mad.
God himself said he answers those with enough faith, therefore through faith we know it's him who appeared to us.

He chooses not to appear to those without sufficient faith, that's it.

The next time you see a Christian come up to you and atleast attempts to perform a miracle through God (whether the miracle works or not) you know that person has more faith than most people.
Because you don't even see people attempt to perform a miracle through God infront of non-believers you know that people lack faith.

God did such "trivial gestures" in the days of Adam and Eve, so why not now? he walked and spoke with them.

In other words, you have to imagine Jesus being there, and then believe it.

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
He chooses not to appear to those without sufficient faith, that's it.

Surely one of the over 6 million jews who died in the holocaust believed enough to not have their people incinerated?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In other words, you have to imagine Jesus being there, and then believe it.

😉

lol, I was avoiding the psychology angle

Jesus appeared when I did it...

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
In other words, you have to imagine Jesus being there, and then believe it.

Imagination isn't faith.

You have to rely on Jesus being there, you have to be confident enough that he will appear to tell somebody else the exact date and time that he'll appear without feeling like a fool, It has to feel asif you're about to meet him.

It's a case of reliability, and most people don't rely on God for their needs, nevermind their desires.

Originally posted by inimalist
Surely one of the over 6 million jews who died in the holocaust believed enough to not have their people incinerated?

It seems not. Or maybe some of them did, who knows. Eventually even the apostles allowed themselves to be killed.

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
It seems not. Or maybe some of them did, who knows. Eventually even the apostles allowed themselves to be killed.

lol, at least you are consistent 😛

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
Imagination isn't faith.

You have to rely on Jesus being there, you have to be confident enough that he will appear to tell somebody else the exact date and time that he'll appear without feeling like a fool, It has to feel asif you're about to meet him.

It's a case of reliability, and most people don't rely on God for their needs, nevermind their desires.

It seems not. Or maybe some of them did, who knows. Eventually even the apostles allowed themselves to be killed.

Sorry, I got it out of order. You have to believe first then use your imagination. 😉

Will those feet in Modern Times...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Look at it. It's about how "seeing god" isn't literal.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
And will be ignored by them.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No, then he is not omnipotent [b]or didn't keep his promise. Existence does not hinge on either one of those. [/B]

Originally posted by lord xyz
Yeah, I've seen it now. Isn't that like cheating? I mean it's like changing the definition of a word or editing wikipedia.

The intransitive verb for of "see" can mean "to understand" in English and American. Not to mention that Jesus spoke almost universally in metaphors and few religions are ever meant to be taken at literal face value.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Then he's an assh*le.

Last time I checked real people could be assholes and nice people can fail to fulfill a promise. No matter how you slice it the people from "Godisimaginary.com" are not particularly . . . well rational, to use their word.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The intransitive verb for of "see" can mean "to understand" in English and American. Not to mention that [b]Jesus spoke almost universally in metaphors and few religions are ever meant to be taken at literal face value.

Last time I checked real people could be assholes and nice people can fail to fulfill a promise. No matter how you slice it the people from "Godisimaginary.com" are not particularly . . . well rational, to use their word. [/B]

They're saying there's no evidence and god can't be proven scientifically, so why believe?

I had come here to search for this, and it just fell into my lap.

Originally posted by inimalist
Surely one of the over 6 million jews who died in the holocaust believed enough to not have their people incinerated?

Godwin's Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Jbill's location sounds like a Dane Cook joke.

Originally posted by lord xyz
They're saying there's no evidence and god can't be proven scientifically, so why believe?

No they're really just being idiots. Any rational (fun word) person can see that.

I'll reduce it to a syllogism for you.

Premise 1: Jesus is here on Earth.
Premise 2: Appearing would be easy.
Premise 3: He's allowed to appear.
Premise 4: He said he will appear.

Observation: Jesus has not appeared.

Conclusion: Jesus is imaginary.

The conclusion is irrational and invalid because none of those things have anything at all to do with existance.

But let's do it in the style of Reason just to improve the dickish irony:

Premise 1: My roommate is here on Earth.
Premise 2: He can walk into this room.
Premise 3: He's allowed to walk into this room.
Premise 4: He left a note that he would be here.

Observation: My roommate is not in this room.

Conclusion: My roommate is imaginary.

Any sane, rational, thinking person can see why that conclusion in invalid and completely devoid of logic. The lesson here is that when arguing from the side of "reason" and "logic" don't say something that is inarguably irrational unless you want to be mocked for it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No they're really just being idiots. Any rational (fun word) person can see that.

I'll reduce it to a syllogism for you.

Premise 1: Jesus is here on Earth.
Premise 2: Appearing would be easy.
Premise 3: He's allowed to appear.
Premise 4: He said he will appear.

Observation: Jesus has not appeared.

Conclusion: Jesus is imaginary.

The conclusion is irrational and invalid because none of those things have anything at all to do with existance.

But let's do it in the style of Reason just to improve the dickish irony:

Premise 1: My roommate is here on Earth.
Premise 2: He can walk into this room.
Premise 3: He's allowed to walk into this room.
Premise 4: He left a note that he would be here.

Observation: My roommate is not in this room.

Conclusion: My roommate is imaginary.

Any sane, rational, thinking person can see why that conclusion in invalid and completely devoid of logic. The lesson here is that when arguing from the side of "reason" and "logic" don't say something that is inarguably irrational unless you want to be mocked for it.

Your roommate did not die 2000 years ago, but Jesus did. Now, if your roommate has been dead for a long time, then I would venture to say he is now imaginary. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your roommate did not die 2000 years ago, but Jesus did. Now, if your roommate has been dead for a long time, then I would venture to say he is now imaginary. 😉

Red herring. Jesus's death is not brought up in their argument and the first premise is that he is here with us on Earth (which come to think of it contradicts the conclusion as well).

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Red herring. Jesus's death is not brought up in their argument and the first premise is that he is here with us on Earth (which come to think of it contradicts the conclusion as well).

Only an idiot would think they are talking about a Mexican guy named Jesus. 😆

It is clear who they are talking about, and everyone knows he died.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No they're really just being idiots. Any rational (fun word) person can see that.

I'll reduce it to a syllogism for you.

Premise 1: Jesus is here on Earth.
Premise 2: Appearing would be easy.
Premise 3: He's allowed to appear.
Premise 4: He said he will appear.

Observation: Jesus has not appeared.

Conclusion: Jesus is imaginary.

The conclusion is irrational and invalid because none of those things have anything at all to do with existance.

But let's do it in the style of Reason just to improve the dickish irony:

Premise 1: My roommate is here on Earth.
Premise 2: He can walk into this room.
Premise 3: He's allowed to walk into this room.
Premise 4: He left a note that he would be here.

Observation: My roommate is not in this room.

Conclusion: My roommate is imaginary.

Any sane, rational, thinking person can see why that conclusion in invalid and completely devoid of logic. The lesson here is that when arguing from the side of "reason" and "logic" don't say something that is inarguably irrational unless you want to be mocked for it.

you just compared Jesus to a normal human like everyone else, now if a normal human said the stuff Jesus said, he'd be a nut. You called Jesus a nut.