Proof Jesus is imaginary

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Only an idiot would think they are talking about a Mexican guy named Jesus.

It is clear who they are talking about, and everyone knows he died.

I know who they're talking about. They didn't bring up his death as part of the argument so it's irrelevant to their logic, which is totally flawed.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I know who they're talking about. They didn't bring up his death as part of the argument so it's irrelevant to their logic, which is totally flawed.

You do not have to bring up things that are common and assumed by everyone.

Originally posted by lord xyz
No, you're roomate's note is not absolute truth, but the Bible supposedly is.

Only from some, shallow view points.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Your roomate is not omnipotent, but Jesus supposedly is.

Ironically, scientists have recently discovered that beings other than omnipotent gods can walk into a room.

Originally posted by lord xyz
you just compared Jesus to a normal human like everyone else

Yes I did. Relatively ordinary people are quite capable of existing despite any rumors to the contrary.

Originally posted by lord xyz
now if a normal human said the stuff Jesus said, he'd be a nut.

Yup, but my roommate didn't say any of the stuff Jesus said. He just said he'd be in the room.

Originally posted by lord xyz
You called Jesus a nut.

Not at all. You've made a leap between to completely unrelated concepts, one of which you presented, not me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You do not have to bring up things that are common and assumed by everyone.

When making an argument in which every point you're using as support is detailed, yes you do. Plus they mention only three steps which they outline none of which include "Jesus is dead". Their argument is completely insane and no attempt to justify it can change that.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
When making an argument in which every point you're using as support is detailed, yes you do. Plus they mention only three steps which they outline none of which include "Jesus is dead". Their argument is completely insane and no attempt to justify it can change that.

That is silly. If you had to bring up every little thing, you would never get around to debating. You are trying to find a point to trash the entire argument, and this is all you can find? 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is silly. If you had to bring up every little thing, you would never get around to debating. You are trying to find a point to trash the entire argument, and this is all you can find? 🙄

They made an argument, they actually presented the entirety of their reasoning for the argument. It did not include Jesus' death which makes it totally irrelevant to the argument that they made (better yet they make the assumption that he's alive at the very start of the argument). Validity and truth have nothing to do with one another. The argument they presented (and even summarized for me so nicely at the end) is illogical, invalid, and begins by assuming Jesus actually came back from the dead.

If you can look at their argument and say "That makes sense." you either delusional or an idiot. That's not an attack, that's plain and simple truth.

I think Syms argument is very good.

Anyway, Jesus clearly said that once he left this world he would return only at a certain time- thus he will answer your prayer to show himself, and that answer will be no.

Original videos argument:
1. Jesus wouldn't mind appearing, because he has done it before.
2. Jesus does whatever two or more Christians ask him to do.
3. Jesus does not always appear when asked to by Christians.
4. Thus, Jesus as defined in the Bible is imaginary.

Response to each point. (as indicated by number)
1. This point is a Hazy Generalisation. Doing something once does not mean you will do it again.
2. Straw Man, Jesus says he would do what was asked in his name. Asking Jesus to appear for confirmation of his existance is contrary to how Jesus works. "Blessed is he who has not seen yet belives.
3. Thus Jesus cannot be expected to answer every prayer, thus Jesus cannot be expected to appear.
4. Lack of Jesus appearing does not prove the Jesus of the Bible is imaginary.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
They made an argument, they actually presented the entirety of their reasoning for the argument. It did not include Jesus' death which makes it totally irrelevant to the argument that they made (better yet they make the assumption that he's alive at the very start of the argument). Validity and truth have nothing to do with one another. The argument they presented (and even summarized for me so nicely at the end) is illogical, invalid, and begins by assuming Jesus actually came back from the dead.

If you can look at their argument and say "That makes sense." you either delusional or an idiot. That's not an attack, that's plain and simple truth.

You are make much about nothing. To say their argument is irrelevant because they did not say that Jesus is dead is like me saying that your argument is irrelevant because you never said my name, or indicated that you were talking to me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are make much about nothing. To say their argument is irrelevant because they did not say that Jesus is dead is like me saying that your argument is irrelevant because you never said my name, or indicated that you were talking to me.

Their argument is invalid because it does not make logical sense in any way shape or form. Jesus being alive or dead doesn't have anything at all to do with their argument.

Here's the entire thing for you:
Premise 1: Jesus is here on Earth.
Premise 2: Appearing would be easy.
Premise 3: He's allowed to appear.
Premise 4: He said he will appear.

Observation: Jesus has not appeared.

Conclusion: Jesus is imaginary.

If you can read that and think it makes sense you're either extremely stupid or have no concept of logical validity (which is, among other things, that conclusion must be contained in the premises).

There's also this which you've been ignoring completely: the argument begins by assuming Jesus actually came back from the dead and is here with us on Earth. That one simple fact makes your entire attempt to justify them by saying that Jesus died meaningless. Their attempt at logic is a complete and utter failure, if you can't see that you aren't a rational being.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Their argument is invalid because it does not make logical sense in any way shape or form. Jesus being alive or dead doesn't have anything at all to do with their argument.

Here's the entire thing for you:
Premise 1: Jesus is here on Earth.
Premise 2: Appearing would be easy.
Premise 3: He's allowed to appear.
Premise 4: He said he will appear.

Observation: Jesus has not appeared.

Conclusion: Jesus is imaginary.

If you can read that and think it makes sense you're either extremely stupid or have no concept of logical validity (which is, among other things, that conclusion must be contained in the premises).

There's also this which you've been ignoring completely: the argument begins by assuming Jesus actually came back from the dead and is here with us on Earth. That one simple fact makes your entire attempt to justify them by saying that Jesus died meaningless. Their attempt at logic is a complete and utter failure, if you can't see that you aren't a rational being.

I was not talking about their argument; I was talking about your argument. They were be sarcastic. Do you not get the sarcasm? They were calling Christian simple minded. 😆 In other words, if you are stupid enough to believe in Christianity, then you are stupid enough to be convinced by this argument. I got it from the very beginning.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I was not talking about their argument; I was talking about your argument. They were be sarcastic. Do you not get the sarcasm? They were calling Christian simple minded. 😆 In other words, if you are stupid enough to believe in Christianity, then you are stupid enough to be convinced by this argument. I got it from the very beginning.

You invented an addition for their argument to justify it, how can you claim you weren't talking about their argument? You spent several posts doing what seemed to be an attempt to disprove the idea that the argument they presented is totally insane (which happens to answer the opening question of the thread "why is this stupid?"😉. Also, you're going to need something more than a feeling to prove they're trying to be sarcastic.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You invented an addition for their argument to justify it, how can you claim you weren't talking about their argument? You spent several posts doing what seemed to be an attempt to disprove the idea that the argument they presented is totally insane (which happens to answer the opening question of the thread "why is this stupid?"😉. Also, you're going to need something more than a feeling to prove they're trying to be sarcastic.

Look it's obvious that the video was not made to seriously convert people away from Christianity. So, you have to ask yourself what was the true intent. I'm sorry that you didn't get it. I would bet there are a lot of Christians who would watch this video, and get offended.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
🙄

Look it's obvious that the video was not made to seriously convert people away from Christianity. So, you have to ask yourself what was the true intent. I'm sorry that you didn't get it. I would bet there are a lot of Christians who would watch this video, and get offended.

Well it does call them stupid...

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Well it does call them stupid...

Then why take it serious? 😉

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Only from some, shallow view points.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Ironically, scientists have recently discovered that beings other than omnipotent gods can walk into a room.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yes I did. Relatively ordinary people are quite capable of existing despite any rumors to the contrary.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Yup, but my roommate didn't say any of the stuff Jesus said. He just said he'd be in the room.

Not at all. You've made a leap between to completely unrelated concepts, one of which you presented, not me.

lord_xyz why don't you go back to your earldom?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sorry, I got it out of order. You have to believe first then use your imagination. 😉

Lol, Imagination has nothing to do with it!

The fact is: Believe and you receive.
Simply thinking the words "I believe" in your head does not mean you believe.

Example:
I always thought that i believed in creation, but whenever a documentary appeared on TV about evolution I all of a sudden started thinking "Wow, i wonder what humans will be like in a million more years!".
Which one do you think i truly believed? (PS. This is a true story)

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
lord_xyz why don't you go back to your earldom?

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
Lol, Imagination has nothing to do with it!

The fact is: Believe and you receive.
Simply thinking the words "I believe" in your head does not mean you believe.

Example:
I always thought that i believed in creation, but whenever a documentary appeared on TV about evolution I all of a sudden started thinking "Wow, i wonder what humans will be like in a million more years!".
Which one do you think i truly believed? (PS. This is a true story)

Originally posted by lord xyz

I think you believe evolution, but your mind can't cope with it, going against your faith and all.

Well, it's not like that anymore, that was in the past. Now Genesis makes me a little bit excited of Gods power, but not as much as it should.

But my point overall: I thought I believed in creation, and I was wrong.

Which means that even people who think they believe, might not believe enough.

Originally posted by xX-Angel-Xx
Lol, Imagination has nothing to do with it!

The fact is: Believe and you receive.
Simply thinking the words "I believe" in your head does not mean you believe.

Example:
I always thought that i believed in creation, but whenever a documentary appeared on TV about evolution I all of a sudden started thinking "Wow, i wonder what humans will be like in a million more years!".
Which one do you think i truly believed? (PS. This is a true story)

I have no idea. How do you know that what you are feeling is not nothing more then the power of belief?