Kenobi and Skywalker are nonfactors in an all out fight, Palpatine's mastery of the Force at this point is demonstrably higher by a notable degree than Kenobi's, Skywalker's, Windu's, or Yoda's. In a contest of swords, he is utterly crushed and annihilated however, and I am hesitant to give him the win, even though his powers outclass theirs, simply because, as swordsmen, these four are beasts, and Yoda is an extremely powerful Jedi. Regardless, though, the Jedi will take casualties.
I seen many threads in which DE Sidious does not win against two sith lords such as Bane and Exar Kun in a team or Revan and Bane in a team.
At the same time people would argue and have that Yoda and Mace would be a match and possibly win against a team of Bane and Exar Kun , etc.
So tell me how it is that DE Sidious wins against Yoda and Mace with two powerful Jedi such as Anakin and Obi Wan added on?
It's not that simple nor does it matter in terms of relative proximity; Emperor Palpatine, in the body of a sixty-year-old man who hadn't touched a lightsaber in over a decade, was capable of moving at speeds that outclassed four of the Jedi Order's finest swordsmen (though Windu was able to eventually match this due to the intricate nature of Vaapad). Though he isn't necessarily an "unstoppable force" as a lightsaber combatant, like Anakin Skywalker, he is by far superior to Skywalker in terms of Force potency and mastery. Count Dooku was able to overcome Kenobi quite handily with the Force, and Kenobi managed to stalemate Skywalker in their Force contest on Mustafar. Palpatine is the pinnacle of self preservation (so long as he doesn't need to use himself as bait a la Coruscant or Endor) and would likely remove Kenobi and Skywalker from the fight in an effortless sweep of the Force.
However, he also has to deal with the considerable prowess of Mace Windu and Yoda. Windu was the undisputed master of the deadliest lightsaber form in history and a master of a technique that allowed him to identify weaknesses in persons, crediting him a legitimate win over the Dark Lord prior. He is a relatively powerful Jedi Master in terms of Force mastery in his own right. Meanwhile, Yoda is the most powerful Jedi ever and was capable of stalemating Darth Sidious in Revenge of the Sith.
If the Jedi play this smart, they could win this. But, looking back at it, Palpatine is faster than they are, more powerful than they are, and is fighting solely for himself. The Jedi will have to rely on teamwork and numbers to pull through this. Kenobi and Skywalker will likely be brushed aside with the Force, Windu killed before he can submerge himself within the depths of Vaapad, and then it comes down to Sidious versus Yoda. And Sidious will win that fight.
Originally posted by Faunus
It takes mere seconds for Windu to immerse himself in Vaapad, so I do not see him getting killed.
Don't you? Despite the fact that the four assembled Jedi were in battle stance and had their lightsabers ignited, Windu was unable to prevent the deaths of his allies, including Fisto, "a celebrated swordmaster", and was driven back. At that point, even though they did cross blades and it was two on one, Palpatine was still moving faster and swifter than either Windu or Fisto. Moreover, Palpatine drove Windu back into the primary office.
What do you mean by 'mere seconds'? It's not two or three or four. It's in excess of ten. Probably twenty or thirty. Moreover, Vaapad would only allow Windu to compete with Sidious on a melee level, he is nothing to the Sith Lord in a Force context.
And thanks to Sidious' speed, he himself will be faster than ever.
I forgot all about that. Of course, Palpatine's superior speed would allow Windu to move at comparable speed since Vaapad is essentially a combat leech. They might win after all. That is, of course, supposing Palpatine is occupied long enough for Windu to do that.
Throw in the shatterpoint ability and Yoda and you have one dead Sith.
What is the ability to identify a weakness if one cannot exploit it? Palpatine outclasses Kenobi and Skywalker in the Force on an unimaginable scale. The same with Windu. Yoda would prove to be a challenge, but we both know very well that he is no match for the Sith Lord either.
Originally posted by Gideon
It's not that simple nor does it matter in terms of relative proximity; Emperor Palpatine, in the body of a sixty-year-old man who hadn't touched a lightsaber in over a decade, was capable of moving at speeds that outclassed four of the Jedi Order's finest swordsmen (though Windu was able to eventually match this due to the intricate nature of Vaapad). Though he isn't necessarily an "unstoppable force" as a lightsaber combatant, like Anakin Skywalker, he is by far superior to Skywalker in terms of Force potency and mastery. Count Dooku was able to overcome Kenobi quite handily with the Force, and Kenobi managed to stalemate Skywalker in their Force contest on Mustafar. Palpatine is the pinnacle of self preservation (so long as he doesn't need to use himself as bait a la Coruscant or Endor) and would likely remove Kenobi and Skywalker from the fight in an effortless sweep of the Force.However, he also has to deal with the considerable prowess of Mace Windu and Yoda. Windu was the undisputed master of the deadliest lightsaber form in history and a master of a technique that allowed him to identify weaknesses in persons, crediting him a legitimate win over the Dark Lord prior. He is a relatively powerful Jedi Master in terms of Force mastery in his own right. Meanwhile, Yoda is the most powerful Jedi ever and was capable of stalemating Darth Sidious in Revenge of the Sith.
If the Jedi play this smart, they could win this. But, looking back at it, Palpatine is faster than they are, more powerful than they are, and is fighting solely for himself. The Jedi will have to rely on teamwork and numbers to pull through this. Kenobi and Skywalker will likely be brushed aside with the Force, Windu killed before he can submerge himself within the depths of Vaapad, and then it comes down to Sidious versus Yoda. And Sidious will win that fight.
Under Yoda's and Mace leadership the team will mostly likely work together. Unless Sidious uses force storm or force drain I do not see what force technique he is going to use to take out Anakin so quickly.
As shown in his fight with Dooku, Anakin can tap into his force potential at any given moment.
Originally posted by GideonIn Shatterpoint, Depa simply closes her eyes, and when she opens them, they're "shadow." It takes a moment of concentration, that's it, but understandably longer when one is facing down the deadliest swordsman the Sith have ever produced.
Don't you? Despite the fact that the four assembled Jedi were in battle stance and had their lightsabers ignited, Windu was unable to prevent the deaths of his allies, including Fisto, "a celebrated swordmaster", and was driven back. At that point, even though they did cross blades and it was two on one, Palpatine was still moving faster and swifter than either Windu or Fisto. Moreover, Palpatine drove Windu back into the primary office.What do you mean by 'mere seconds'? It's not two or three or four. It's in excess of ten. Probably twenty or thirty. Moreover, Vaapad would only allow Windu to compete with Sidious on a melee level, he is nothing to the Sith Lord in a Force context.
I forgot all about that. Of course, Palpatine's superior speed would allow Windu to move at comparable speed since Vaapad is essentially a combat leech. They might win after all. That is, of course, supposing Palpatine is occupied long enough for Windu to do that.Well, it's Yoda. He's the only one here who can contend with Sidious under his own power, and while he has no chance of winning he can certainly keep him occupied long enough for Mace to get going.
What is the ability to identify a weakness if one cannot exploit it? Palpatine outclasses Kenobi and Skywalker in the Force on an unimaginable scale. The same with Windu. Yoda would prove to be a challenge, but we both know very well that he is no match for the Sith Lord either.No match as in he can't win, but he's not outclassed to the point that he's no longer competition. I can definitely see him blitzing Palpatine in a manner similar to what Luke did to Caedus in an attempt to hold him off, and the Sith Lord won't have time to kill Skywalker, Kenobi, and Mace with the Force in the split second it would take Yoda to cover the distance between them. Not that Anakin and Obi-Wan really matter here at all.
"Tap into his Force potential?"
Skywalker merely outclassed the Count in swordsmanship; Dooku would still do unholy, unspeakable things to him via Force mastery. You are comparing him to Palpatine, who is smarter, stronger, and faster than Dooku -- and who is also intimately aware of Skywalker's abilities and capabilities. Skywalker is nothing to Palpatine in a Force contest.
Meanwhile, Kenobi and Skywalker, the Jedi's ultimate team, didn't function too well against Dooku. What makes you think the addition of Yoda or Windu will make a difference?
Originally posted by Faunus
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