Was the Empire really that bad?

Originally posted by Tangible God
I'd call you a Commie but Commie's don't like Star Wars; it's a franchise afterall.

Oh and when the core evil guys left the Imperial Remnant pretty much ceased to be so damn prejudiced.

And I think a few billion here and there is a lot better than what the Vong did.

And no while some of there action led to mass exctinction, they didnt outright go alien hunting.

For the average alien, a few rights were curtailed but business as usual seemed very possible.

Originally posted by DarkSerpent

And I think a few billion here and there is a lot better than what the Vong did.

What part of Asian was the Vong from?

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
This is the EU section, REX. 😐

And that means... what?

As we progress past the times of Palpatine, I could understand seeing different aspects of the Empire, but under the manipulations of the Sith... if you're joining up the Imperial ranks, chances are you are not a good person. Good people join against it.

Originally posted by sweersa
What part of Asian was the Vong from?

STFU and GTFO

Originally posted by DarkSerpent
WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
The Yuuzhan Vong
or some dumbshit thing from your r-tarded imagination land.

STFU and GTFO

Keep the flaming and language down please. This is a warning.

Originally posted by sweersa
Keep the flaming and language down please. This is a warning.

LOL "Mod" Sweers layed down the law but seriously the enlarged font is annoying and useless.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
LOL "Mod" Sweers layed down the law but seriously the enlarged font is annoying and useless.

🙂

I see the Quey'tek technique of cloaking one's status within the Force not only applies to Sith but moderators as well.

You have done well, sweersa. Everything is proceeding as I have forseen... heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

...Ha ha. 😐

Originally posted by Gideon
I see the Quey'tek technique of cloaking one's status within the Force not only applies to Sith but moderators as well.

You have done well, sweersa. Everything is proceeding as I have forseen... heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.

...Ha ha. 😐

The Nightmare Never Ends.

Hahaha.

Originally posted by General Zink
And that means... what?

As we progress past the times of Palpatine, I could understand seeing different aspects of the Empire, but under the manipulations of the Sith... if you're joining up the Imperial ranks, chances are you are not a good person. Good people join against it.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I doubt the general populace knew about Palpatine and Vader's Sithly ties. The average man who thinks the Empire serves the greater good and agrees to serve it, is not evil. The Empire consisted of most of the galaxy, and billions upon billions of soldiers and military personnel. It'd be downright absolutism to call them all evil.

Sort of like the Nazis. Sure Hitler and his crew (along with a lot of the Generals...officers..etc were bad and corrupt but a lot of the regular soldiers we just German men and later boys...they had no choice and I bet a lot of them hated fighting for their bad cause.

But I know their was a lot of propaganda and such..who knows what the mind set they had was like.

Originally posted by sweersa
Sort of like the Nazis. Sure Hitler and his crew (along with a lot of the Generals...officers..etc were bad and corrupt but a lot of the regular soldiers we just German men and later boys...they had no choice and I bet a lot of them hated fighting for their bad cause.

But I know their was a lot of propaganda and such..who knows what the mind set they had was like.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Exactly. The 15 millions German soldiers who served in the war weren't evil. Sure, there were probably thousands who knew what exactly was going on, but that hardly covers for the common pilot or submarine navigator.

I agree.

DarkSerpent, if you keep that attitude up, I am throwing you out.

The Galactic Empire is not Nazi Germany. The films made it very clear that anyone working for the Empire was bad. They were working for the Sith, whether they knew it or not, they were disposing of democracy and free will, they were destroying planets and subjugating others... if the did not defect to the Rebellion, then they were bad.

If the EU is saying otherwise, then it is all the more reason for me to dislike the Expanded Universe and its inability to stick with the source material.

Originally posted by Captain REX
DarkSerpent, if you keep that attitude up, I am throwing you out.

The Galactic Empire is not Nazi Germany. The films made it very clear that anyone working for the Empire was bad. They were working for the Sith, whether they knew it or not, they were disposing of democracy and free will, they were destroying planets and subjugating others... if the did not defect to the Rebellion, then they were bad.

If the EU is saying otherwise, then it is all the more reason for me to dislike the Expanded Universe and its inability to stick with the source material.

Until GL himself rebukes a EU source it shall most likely remain canon.

Not necessarily, Many Germans just wanted to defend their country and knew they were going to war anyways so,you know...

And the Empire probably called the Rebellion "terrorists" (Sound familiar)
A lot of the soldiers in the empire had families to feed or nowhere else to go.

But Other than that yeah I get what your saying.

Originally posted by Captain REX
DarkSerpent, if you keep that attitude up, I am throwing you out.

The Galactic Empire is not Nazi Germany. The films made it very clear that anyone working for the Empire was bad. They were working for the Sith, whether they knew it or not, they were disposing of democracy and free will, they were destroying planets and subjugating others... if the did not defect to the Rebellion, then they were bad.

If the EU is saying otherwise, then it is all the more reason for me to dislike the Expanded Universe and its inability to stick with the source material.

still. shouldn't there be sides to every story? I doubt that everyone who was with the empire knows everything the empire does... there's bound to be people who was with them just because they have to- security purposes, so-called future and all that.

Originally posted by TG
I doubt the general populace knew about Palpatine and Vader's Sithly ties. The average man who thinks the Empire serves the greater good and agrees to serve it, is not evil. The Empire consisted of most of the galaxy, and billions upon billions of soldiers and military personnel. It'd be downright absolutism to call them all evil.

Originally posted by REX
The Galactic Empire is not Nazi Germany. The films made it very clear that anyone working for the Empire was bad. They were working for the Sith, whether they knew it or not, they were disposing of democracy and free will, they were destroying planets and subjugating others... if the did not defect to the Rebellion, then they were bad.

If the EU is saying otherwise, then it is all the more reason for me to dislike the Expanded Universe and its inability to stick with the source material.

It was Plato first (then perhaps Nietzsche) who put forth the theory that no evil person ever identifies themselves as evil. Every person naturally strives for good - often times they are simply confused as to the true definition of what that 'good' is. Thus, some are selfish, or manipulative, or downright psychotic. Nevertheless, if you were to ask them if what they were doing was wrong, most would tell you that in their eyes, it is not. No one considers themselves evil - it's simply not in our nature.

😛 Full argument can be found in Books 1 and 2 of The Republic. My point is that I don't even think Palpatine saw himself as evil. As he tells Anakin, one can't truly understand the Force if one only studies a one-sided dogmatic view of it. He probably simply considered himself educated, enlightened, and an opportunist.

Originally posted by Captain REX
DarkSerpent, if you keep that attitude up, I am throwing you out.

The Galactic Empire is not Nazi Germany. The films made it very clear that anyone working for the Empire was bad. They were working for the Sith, whether they knew it or not, they were disposing of democracy and free will, they were destroying planets and subjugating others... if the did not defect to the Rebellion, then they were bad.

If the EU is saying otherwise, then it is all the more reason for me to dislike the Expanded Universe and its inability to stick with the source material.

With respect, REX, I disagree entirely. As Lucas says, "only a Sith deals in absolutes." If you want to apply such absolitism to the moral debate on Star Wars, you're falling into a trap. The Empire was a highly popular institution. If we applied your logic to that, that means the majority of the galaxy is "bad" or "evil." Hell, one could also attribute such pejoratives to the Old Republic and every Senator present, since they handed Palpatine the leadership of the galaxy. By making Palpatine Emperor, the Senators were disposing of democracy and free will. They contributed to the agenda of the Sith.

I'm sorry, but I don't get where someone can just say LOLZ TEH EMPIRE WAS BAD PERIOD.

Besides, REX, the novel Allegiance is not EU material, not really, since it's timeline is some time after ANH. And I said before, the novel is about a group of stormtroopers who actually believed they were doing a greater good for the galaxy by serving the Empire, and eventually left, realizing after some days, that the leaders of the Empire were evil and corrupt. This proves there were a lot of people in the Empire who didn't know what the Empire really was.