Originally posted by chithappensThis is the kind of attack that I don't think will go down well with the average voter or the angry Clinton woman voter; i.e. to paraphrase "Sarah Palin's teenage daughter is pregnant, Sarah Palin is a bad mother; Sarah Palin will be a bad VP."
Well on that point, it is incredibly hypocritical to call for family values when you can't even hold them in your own house.
On a side note apparently the woman is "pro-contraception" while maintaining that "abstinence only" is the best way to prevent teen pregnancy and STD. So presumably Bristol Palin was told what condoms are for.
Edit: Or critique of the woman's children's names. It seems as silly and puerile as KidRock et al constantly writing "Barack Hussein Obama."
If one intends to critique this woman it should be on issues of substand not style, and it's not like there's nothing to critique regarding the former so I don't get the point of resorting to the latter.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
On a side note apparently the woman is "pro-contraception" while maintaining that "abstinence only" is the best way to prevent teen pregnancy and STD. So presumably Bristol Palin was told what condoms are for.
If that's true then that's very good. That's a relatively logical approach to the topic.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
This is the kind of attack that I don't think will go down well with the average voter or the angry Clinton woman voter; i.e. to paraphrase "Sarah Palin's teenage daughter is pregnant, Sarah Palin is a bad mother; Sarah Palin will be a bad VP."On a side note apparently the woman is "pro-contraception" while maintaining that "abstinence only" is the best way to prevent teen pregnancy and STD. So presumably Bristol Palin was told what condoms are for.
Edit: Or critique of the woman's children's names.
I did not call her a bad mother or a bad VP. There is one fact I named: her daughter is pregnant. Palin supports abortion in no situation, not even rape. She said it was her daughter's choice (and @ 16, that is legally correct), but we all know it was not her choice because it would provide too much political ammo.
It's like if I were to talk about how everyone should stop smoking cigarettes and then I get caught lighting up a loogie later on that month.
Originally posted by chithappensThen I misinterpreted your comment. B-but...
I did not call her a bad mother or a bad VP. There is one fact I named: her daughter is pregnant. Palin supports abortion in no situation, not even rape. She said it was her daughter's choice (and @ 16, that is legally correct), but we all know it was not her choice because it would provide too much political ammo.
That's a very big allegation you're throwing out.
Sarah Palin is forcing her daughter to have a baby, to further her political career?
I just assumed that she had instilled similar beliefs she had into her children (something I'm not particularly in favor of, but that's besides the point) and thus Bristol Palin decided to keep her baby.
But if Palin has sewn up her daughter's vagina and is keeping her in a locked room when she's not drugged up in front of cameras smiling and waving. And Bristol Palin is secretly trying to escape to the abortion clinic - then that's certainly newsworthy.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Then I misinterpreted your comment. B-but...That's a very big allegation you're throwing out.
Sarah Palin is forcing her daughter to have a baby, to further her political career?
I just assumed that she had instilled similar beliefs she had into her children (something I'm not particularly in favor of, but that's besides the point) and thus Bristol Palin decided to keep her baby.
But if Palin has sewn up her daughter's vagina and is keeping her in a locked room when she's not drugged up in front of cameras smiling and waving. And Bristol Palin is secretly trying to escape to the abortion clinic - then that's certainly newsworthy.
Again, you misunderstand.
Bristol is unable because of what the media would do (hence, me saying . Regardless of Sarah throwing her "unconditional support", it would be looked down upon by all the "pro-life" supporters.
Stop trying to take my posts places they don't go. You are just being ultra defensive.
I prefer to see it as playing Devil's advocate; although I may be deliberately hyperbolizing to make your points seem more irrational than they are.
Presumably since she's 5 months pregnant; Bristol Palin made her decision to not have an abortion several months before anyone in the US national media knew she was pregnant. Before anyone knew or cared who Bristol Palin was.
Presumably since she was raised in a "pro-life religious family" that factors into her mindset and into her decision.
Unless she has some strange precognitive ability I doubt she's still pregnant "because of the media."
I really don't think a woman would base her decision of whether or not to carry a child on potential political fallout. And I don't see where one would rationally/logically derive that view.
Originally posted by chillmeistergenAs do all libertarians I know.
I would consider myself somewhat of a Libertarian, though her beliefs do not appeal to me in the slightest. For a start, the whole pro life and teaching abstinence thing goes completely against what I believe in, I see it is an inhibition of personal freedom.
But I hear there are some that do not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8hlj_UFi-g
Stanhope on Palin. Brutal but hilarious.