Originally posted by KidRock
Sure..do you really think a Senator from Illinois knows how to deal with the issue of drilling for domestic oil? I bet a Governor from Alaska does.
I actually havent heard that at all, or seen it posted on other forums that I frequent..I would just like to read the entire thing and get a context of the quote.
Again..does Palin want to rid Americans of the Miranda Rights in your eyes?
If she doesn't care whether a suspect is read their legal rights, or thinks it should matter whether they are detained without trial, then yes.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
I would prefer doing away with Oil period to domestic drilling. And so she knows about oil. You think that is all the Presidency is about?
Well like I said..do you believe we can become independent of Oil within the next 10 years? I doubt it. And it isnt what the Presidency is all about..but shes not runnign for president shes running for VP and having experience in a big economic area such as domestic drilling certainly helps.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
IIt's all over the Net.
Can you post it?
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's wrong, very wrong. No social program costs $600 billion dollars after 7 years, does it?
Most of the expenditure of The Department of Health (£98.6 billion in 2008-9[3]) is spent on the NHS.
And lets see..how many more people does America have then the UK? It would probably cost double the amount here.
Thats quite a huge chunk of change..thats just one of his social programs as well.
Originally posted by dadudemonBasically, you don't like democratic policy and now you have an excuse to pin anti-white to it. Am I right?
In other words, you can't claim it's Obama being anti-white, you can only go as far as to say he's simply a democrat, which a majority of democratic politicians are WHITE.
If you agreed with my justice system reference you must agree with what I said about his policy as well.
Originally posted by dadudemonBut, that is not the point being debated. You may think it's valid, but it isn't. IF Wright were president and Obama sided with Wright's policies 90-95% of the time, you'd have a point.
So are you arguing Obama didn't agree with Wright and just sat in his church for 25 years disagreeing? that is what you're saying?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Care to address the McCain side of that coin? There's a reason he's called "McSame".
He was an idiot, that is the reason. I have never said I was a supporter of McCain, I am just a hater of Obama.
Originally posted by KidRock
Most of the expenditure of The Department of Health (£98.6 billion in 2008-9[3]) is spent on the NHS.And lets see..how many more people does America have then the UK? It would probably cost double the amount here.
Thats quite a huge chunk of change..thats just one of his social programs as well.
Again, your government already pays the most money per capita on Health Care in the world and you get shit for it.
Actually most social programmes in the US cost far more than $600 billion over 7 years...
All the Reverend Wright debacle showed is that Obama is a politician, the term not being a complement. His association with the Trinity Unity Church and being on good terms with the Pastor was presumably purely politically motivated; it gave him "black cred," when the Reverend became a liability he was cast aside.
If Obama came across as Rev. Wright you may have a point, but he doesn't, and you don't.
I'm reposting this here because the stupid "McCain=Bush" argument has popped up again
(read the whole thing)
On Iraq and Afghanistan John McCain fought against going in with too few troops, but Bush did it anyway.
In Iraq John McCain fought against De-Bathification but Bush did it anyway.
In Iraq John McCain argued against disbanding the Iraqi Army, but Bush did it anyway.
These three factors directly led the the chaos in Iraq ever since. Had John McCain been President we probably would have won the war and been home years ago. Unfortunately George W Bush was and he was too stupid to listen to the superior judgement of John McCain.
In Iraq, McCain fought for the Surge - and George W Bush finally listened. The sound JUDGEMENT of John McCain has snatched VICTORY from the jaws of defeat. Defeat Obama counseled, nay demanded, that we conceed to get our troops home a year sooner. Obama advocated retreat and defeat when it was popular to do so. John McCain stood up and fought for victory in war and WON.
John McCain fought against the United States ever condoning torture, but Bush did it anyway.
John McCain fought against the Bush Cheney tax cuts, but Bush did it anyway. Today, as our economy has softened McCain does not want to raise taxes because NO economist will tell you to ever raise taxes in a down economy. John McCain was right on taxes then and he is right now.
John McCain fought against the Bush Cheney Energy Bill. The one written by ENRON with Cheney behind closed doors that gave BILLIONS in tax credits to the big oil companies, (you know, the one Obama voted FOR even though he now mocks that bill as an example of what is wrong in Washington - the bill HE VOTED FOR).
John defied his party and recognized Global Warming as a serious threat as well as America's responsibility to be a leader in the world when facing such problems. George Bush is too stupid to recognize the science behind these findings and fights John McCain on this issue to this day.
John McCain is a fiscal conservative who opposes earmarks - all of them - and has fought against the irresponsible spending spree of Democrats and Republicans alike led by George W Bush that is destroying our future.
John McCain fought chronyism in Washington and fought against his own party in the aftermath of Katrina. He heaped scathing criticism on George W Bush for the incompetency shown by FEMA. Thank god George Bush listened as evidenced by the vastly superior government reaction to Gustov.
John McCain fought his entire party to co-author and pass campaign finance reform. (NOTE - the only bi-partisan effort Obama has ever been a part of was LEAD by John McCain).
John McCain was for Stem Cell Research, but Bush fought against it.
John McCain fought against a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage, but Bush fought for it.
This goes back 25 years when John McCain was against sending 300 marines into Beirut without any real mission and sufficient support - he fought Ronald Reagan but Reagan did it anyway. Unfortunately because the President ignored John McCain, hundreds of Marines died and that was the first time America shied away from a fight with Terrorists.
Again and again, year after year John McCain has shown the wisdom, judgement, and courage to fight for the right thing, challenging his party leaders, (most notably George W Bush) when they were screwing up. John McCain is no more 4 more years of George W Bush than I am, except on the few things George Bush managed to get right.
And before you go touting that 95% voting with Bush record - you should do your homework and check Obama's voting record with Bush. It's way more than half of the time. The reason? Most of the things they pass are unanimous votes on bills that have no controversy. Things like naming a post office, honoring some fallen hero, etc., are the stuff of most of the bills that they pass and they all vote together. We just see the controversial issues - like the ones listed above and again and again on those, the controversial issues where real judgement was needed John McCain has been right and George W Bush has been wrong.
All that's fair.
However it's worth pointing out that Obama's actual voting record with Bush last year was 40%.
In 2006 it was 49%
And in 2005 it was about 33%
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_it_true_john_mccain_voted_with.html
Originally posted by KidRock
Most of the expenditure of The Department of Health (£98.6 billion in 2008-9[3]) is spent on the NHS.And lets see..how many more people does America have then the UK? It would probably cost double the amount here.
Thats quite a huge chunk of change..thats just one of his social programs as well.
I'm sorry, but I don't particularly care for universal health. We're on the same page with this one. But since we already spend a shit load of money on healthcare, I'm not too sure $600 billion has to be added to the current system over 7 years...which was my point.
There definitely needs to be a system overhaul. We can start by putting a cap on malpractice suits.
Are there any social programs that cost over $600 billion over 7 years, though? I've looked through Obama's list and I can't find any. I could be wrong, which is why I phrase that statement as a question.
You can look over his junk and tell me if I'm wrong in my assumption...
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf
xmarksthespot, I was referring to Obama's social programs. I'm not too sure any of his programs will cost us more than $600 billion over 7 years (above and beyond what we spend already on healthcare...which was the logical comparison to this Iraq business because that is expenditure above and beyond what standard operation should be.)
Originally posted by KidRock
If you agreed with my justice system reference you must agree with what I said about his policy as well.
His policy is not racial motivated, though. There's rich white guys who have the same policies. They're called democrats. 😐
Originally posted by KidRock
So are you arguing Obama didn't agree with Wright and just sat in his church for 25 years disagreeing? that is what you're saying?
No.
I'm saying you a retard for equating the two.
Originally posted by KidRock
He was an idiot, that is the reason. I have never said I was a supporter of McCain, I am just a hater of Obama.
But....you've defended Bush in the past and you're obviously a Republican, so why aren't you a supporter of McCain? And why did it take you this many replies before you addressed that?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
I'm reposting this here because the stupid "McCain=Bush" argument has popped up again(read the whole thing)
On Iraq and Afghanistan John McCain fought against going in with too few troops, but Bush did it anyway.
Logic fail. We shouldn't have gone into Iraq in the first place. Afghanistan may be a different story though.
Actually, under different foreign polices, we may not have even had to go into Afgh.
Logic fail. We shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
In Iraq John McCain fought against De-Bathification but Bush did it anyway.
Logic fail. We shouldn't have been there in the first place. And it's spelled "De-Baathification". Who did you quote this from?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
In Iraq John McCain argued against disbanding the Iraqi Army, but Bush did it anyway.
Logic fail. We shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
These three factors directly led the the chaos in Iraq ever since. Had John McCain been President we probably would have won the war and been home years ago. Unfortunately George W Bush was and he was too stupid to listen to the superior judgement of John McCain.
Logic fail. The chaos in Iraq would have been there, "irregardless" of a massive troop surge, De-Baathification, and, disbanding the Iraqi army (Which had massive corruption anyway). This fails horribly in its logic because even how the situation was handled in Iraq has changed on more than one occasion. If they had the same ROE (rules of engagement) and COIN (counter insurgency) doctrine, maybe the author would have a point.
Currently, the author is 0/4. That last one was the biggest fail yet...
BTW, whoever you quoted that from misspelled "judgment". It was probably a Republican from the Midwest, no doubt.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
In Iraq, McCain fought for the Surge - and George W Bush finally listened. The sound JUDGEMENT of John McCain has snatched VICTORY from the jaws of defeat. Defeat Obama counseled, nay demanded, that we conceed to get our troops home a year sooner. Obama advocated retreat and defeat when it was popular to do so. John McCain stood up and fought for victory in war and WON.
Ahhhh, great! Just because of McCain, we got the surge! WOOOT! And McCain prevented the defeat of coalition forces at the hands of insurgents, single-handedly! WOOOOT!
OH GNOES! Obama wanted the troops to come home? DAMN him for siding with the vast majority of Americans....you know...the people he represents?
(The author sure knows how to spell "concede" and "judgment".)
Originally posted by sithsaber408
John McCain fought against the United States ever condoning torture, but Bush did it anyway.
Good for McCain. Seriously.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
John McCain fought against the Bush Cheney tax cuts, but Bush did it anyway. Today, as our economy has softened McCain does not want to raise taxes because NO economist will tell you to ever raise taxes in a down economy. John McCain was right on taxes then and he is right now.
He should have fought FOR the tax cuts. Horrible logical fail.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
John McCain fought against the Bush Cheney Energy Bill. The one written by ENRON with Cheney behind closed doors that gave BILLIONS in tax credits to the big oil companies, (you know, the one Obama voted FOR even though he now mocks that bill as an example of what is wrong in Washington - the bill HE VOTED FOR).
Uh, the bill passed in the senate 86-8. The Bill is HUGE. There's tons of stuff in it. I'm sure I could go through the 1000 page bill and find something in there was is a very positive thing, point out that McCain didn't vote for that, and call him evil or crooked because of it.
Do you see how that works?
Wait wait...let me try a different way...
McCain is a dissenter. He goes against the grain of the Senate to make a political point for his election while ignoring relevant information. He voted against the energy bill which had many points to help with the cost of gas at the pump. McCain sided with big oil. Not only does he disagree with his fellow senators to look good to the public eye for his election, he's done so at the cost of crookedness. 'Shame on you, Mr. [McCain]."
Do you see how that works?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
John defied his party and recognized Global Warming as a serious threat as well as America's responsibility to be a leader in the world when facing such problems. George Bush is too stupid to recognize the science behind these findings and fights John McCain on this issue to this day.
Horrible fail. Man-made global warming is based on horrible "science", if you can even call it that. Any idiot who falls for the "man-made" global warming hoax is just that, an idiot.
It looks like McCain is the one who is stupid this time.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
John McCain is a fiscal conservative who opposes earmarks - all of them - and has fought against the irresponsible spending spree of Democrats and Republicans alike led by George W Bush that is destroying our future.
I agree, on all accounts. I don't see earmarks as being a good thing, for the most part. I also don't like my government spending money like crazy. *cough* Iraq *cough*
Originally posted by sithsaber408
John McCain fought chronyism in Washington and fought against his own party in the aftermath of Katrina. He heaped scathing criticism on George W Bush for the incompetency shown by FEMA. Thank god George Bush listened as evidenced by the vastly superior government reaction to Gustov.
LOL, "chronyism". And what does cronyism have to do with any of the rest?
Yes, thank the LAWD and da GAWD almighty that McCain single-handedly convinced Bush of his failiings...5% of the time, right?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
John McCain fought his entire party to co-author and pass campaign finance reform. (NOTE - the only bi-partisan effort Obama has ever been a part of was LEAD by John McCain).
What HAS Obama been apart of? He hasn't been around that long to be part of much.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
John McCain was for Stem Cell Research, but Bush fought against it.
Oh man. McCain fails then. This goes against the grain of the ignorant...sorry...republican evangelicals, doesn't it? This isn't a very good point and is probably a counter-point. So, again, fail.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
John McCain fought against a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting gay marriage, but Bush fought for it.
We have John McCain on video saying he's against it. McCain is a dirty flip flopper, now isn't he?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
This goes back 25 years when John McCain was against sending 300 marines into Beirut without any real mission and sufficient support - he fought Ronald Reagan but Reagan did it anyway. Unfortunately because the President ignored John McCain, hundreds of Marines died and that was the first time America shied away from a fight with Terrorists.
Good ol' McCain, almost single-handedly convinced that president, right?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Again and again, year after year John McCain has shown the wisdom, judgement, and courage to fight for the right thing, challenging his party leaders, (most notably George W Bush) when they were screwing up. John McCain is no more 4 more years of George W Bush than I am, except on the few things George Bush managed to get right.
Well, President Bush got things right 95% of the time, apparently, now didn't he?
Originally posted by sithsaber408
And before you go touting that 95% voting with Bush record - you should do your homework and check Obama's voting record with Bush. It's way more than half of the time. The reason? Most of the things they pass are unanimous votes on bills that have no controversy. Things like naming a post office, honoring some fallen hero, etc., are the stuff of most of the bills that they pass and they all vote together. We just see the controversial issues - like the ones listed above and again and again on those, the controversial issues where real judgement was needed John McCain has been right and George W Bush has been wrong.
My homie, Backfire, has already debunked this "fact".
That was so full of fail, I don't know if I'd post that again, anywhere.
You and I should probably talk about things we agree on, like working hard for your family, not stealing, etc. 😆
This post was so long that I don't feel like going back over it to proofread. If there are mistakes, they are are the mistakes of lazy.
Originally posted by sithsaber408And then McCain caved.
John McCain fought against the United States ever condoning torture, but Bush did it anyway.
John McCain fought his entire party to co-author and pass campaign finance reform. (NOTE - the only bi-partisan effort Obama has ever been a part of was LEAD by John McCain).Um, that's just an out-and-out lie. He's worked his first day in the Senate.