Originally posted by Nihilist
👆....thanos aint no low feat uhuh
Don't get me wrong.
Thanos is no joke of course.
But for a guy who is supposed to be an extremely powerful and cunning archdemon even Thanos shouldn't prove to be much of problem at least in his own dimension (without any toys like IG of course)
Originally posted by comicfan11
Don't get me wrong.
Thanos is no joke of course.
But for a guy who is supposed to be an extremely powerful and cunning archdemon even Thanos shouldn't prove to be much of problem at least in his own dimension (without any toys like IG of course)
im only joking,i agree mephisto written correctly should imo be a absract lvl character,been the devil an all.
I don't think Thanos has ever actually defeated Mephisto in a physical fight.
He tricked him once with an incredibly simple trick (The empty cosmic cube) but physically...no.
Does anyone have any details or scans on the Black Panther/Mephisto bit?
As to the actual battle, I feel that they are roughly comparable.
Mephisto's greatest feat is, undoubtedly, stalemating Galactus (in Mephy's realm, but still).
Neron's greatest feat is tossing aside the Corrigan Spectre casually OUT of his own realm, and then separating the Corrigan Host from the Spectre Force (something thought to be impossible since it would go against the will of God).
Both are pretty impressive, though I suppose if I had to give one over the other I'd give it to Neron.
They've both owned or subdued powerful groups of heroes or powerful heroes individually.
The truth is, thanks to his many many more appearances, Mephisto has a lot more of the middling feats than does Neron -- defeating top tiers, etc.
By that same token, Mephisto DOES have some very low showings that Neron does not. Getting owned by Adam Warlock in his own realm. Flatly being defeated by Thor in his own realm. Stalemating Thor in his own realm. Being overpowered by the Surfer in his own realm. Possibly some incidents with Black Panther and Daredevil (I haven't seen these first hand).
I would give it to Neron, but not 10/10 as on average I feel they are roughly comparable.
Originally posted by Desaad
I don't think Thanos has ever actually defeated Mephisto in a physical fight.He tricked him once with an incredibly simple trick (The empty cosmic cube) but physically...no.
Does anyone have any details or scans on the Black Panther/Mephisto bit?
As to the actual battle, I feel that they are roughly comparable.
Mephisto's greatest feat is, undoubtedly, stalemating Galactus (in Mephy's realm, but still).
Neron's greatest feat is tossing aside the Corrigan Spectre casually OUT of his own realm, and then separating the Corrigan Host from the Spectre Force (something thought to be impossible since it would go against the will of God).
Both are pretty impressive, though I suppose if I had to give one over the other I'd give it to Neron.
They've both owned or subdued powerful groups of heroes or powerful heroes individually.
The truth is, thanks to his many many more appearances, Mephisto has a lot more of the middling feats than does Neron -- defeating top tiers, etc.
By that same token, Mephisto DOES have some very low showings that Neron does not. Getting owned by Adam Warlock in his own realm. Flatly being defeated by Thor in his own realm. Stalemating Thor in his own realm. Being overpowered by the Surfer in his own realm. Possibly some incidents with Black Panther and Daredevil (I haven't seen these first hand).
I would give it to Neron, but not 10/10 as on average I feel they are roughly comparable.
meph didnt really stalemate galactus imo.galactus started to devour his realm.
Yes Mephisto indeed has more appearances than Neron but I could never ever EVER see Neron losing to character like Thor in his own realm or even out of it.
These instances really lower my respect for Mephisto to a great degree.
On the other hand Neron (although he has much fewer appearances) is always portrayed as something that characters like Asmodel, Etrigan, Bellial, Cap Marvel, Sentinel, Lilith and whole groups doesn't stand a chance against.
Bottom line Neron hasn't lost on the physical plane like Mephisto has and managed to divide the Spectre.
To be honest as Mephisto has been portrayed, if he tried to do something like that to the Spectre I think he would be toast.
That's why I give Neron 10/10 but i hope for Marvel to write Meph more according to his status.
Originally posted by Galan007
some of his appearances have been, meh.
He's had appearances that haven't elevated him, true, but none that have actively lowered him.
For instance, in my respect thread I posted a number of scans of him with Barbara Gorden, doing various things...nothing he did there was so incredible, but he wasn't ever hurt or anything like that.
Same goes for his later Flash appearance...Yes, he didn't do anything like crushing the Spectre, but he did own both Jay and Wally and ultimately could only be defeated by the plot device of the love between Wally and Linda (and even then undid all the damage to the city, including bringing back all the dead).
Can you be specific, maybe, about which showings of his were bad?
Even the imaginary showings -- like JLA 60 -- have him turning the entire JLA into coal!
Originally posted by Galan007
that's mainly what i was talking about.
Ah, well the same is true of Mephisto, and moreso given the length of time he has been around.
What is your opinion on the outcome?
There is a Neron and Mephisto respect thread in the Respect Thread forum if you need helping deciding.
Originally posted by Desaadneron's been more consistent in his showings, which is why i'd give him the edge.
Ah, well the same is true of Mephisto, and moreso given the length of time he has been around.What is your opinion on the outcome?
There is a Neron and Mephisto respect thread in the Respect Thread forum if you need helping deciding.
Originally posted by comicfan11
On the other hand Neron (although he has much fewer appearances) is always portrayed as something that characters like Asmodel, Etrigan, Bellial, Cap Marvel, Sentinel, Lilith and whole groups doesn't stand a chance against.
Asmodel is far more powerful than Neron. Neron dooes win this although he had a recent low showing. Nothing as bad as to how Mephisto lost to BP though.
Originally posted by Avlon
Asmodel is far more powerful than Neron. Neron dooes win this although he had a recent low showing. Nothing as bad as to how Mephisto lost to BP though.
I urge you to take a look at the Neron respect thread I did; we have instances of Asmodel being tortured by Neron AND of Neron throwing him around and ordering him around in hell.
Its pretty clear that Neron is more powerful than Asmodel.
Also, what is this recent low showing you are referring to?
Originally posted by Red Hulk
Meph was depowered when BP and him fought. Also, Mephisto was able to ret-con like 20 years of history. How many comic characters have accomplished this? 😖hifty:
In what way was Meph depowered?
I agree that the retconning history is extremely impressive, and while not up to that par I would counter with Neron undoing all the damage done to a city and bringing back all those that had died.
Also, Hal Jordan (Spectre) did something similar in the Flash series, and he was less powerful than the Corrigan Spectre who was tossed aside/manipulated by Neron...