1. I honestly can't tell, but Sion is quite an unknown, and Vader is very powerful and is hardly a novice. I'd give it to Vader simply for that.
2. Sion. No lightsaber, and Sion's Lightning equals bad news for Vader.
3. Vader. For some reason I feel confident his physical power could withstand any Lightning Sion could throw at him. Using his impressive TK to help him out, I think Vader would eventually out-duel Sion enough to reduce his body to ash.
That poor corpse just doesn't have enough known abilities to help him out too often.
Originally posted by Tangible God
1. I honestly can't tell, but Sion is quite an unknown, and Vader is very powerful and is hardly a novice. I'd give it to Vader simply for that.2. Sion. No lightsaber, and Sion's Lightning equals bad news for Vader.
3. Vader. For some reason I feel confident his physical power could withstand any Lightning Sion could throw at him. Using his impressive TK to help him out, I think Vader would eventually out-duel Sion enough to reduce his body to ash.
That poor corpse just doesn't have enough known abilities to help him out too often.
If we assume that tfu is cannon(i am not sure, since we are referring to the new hope incarnation of said villain), we can easily determine that:
Force=Vader 8/10 And I don't think that sion knows lightning. In fact, in some deleted scene or other, nihilus picks him up by the throat while lightninging him and draining him, and he doesnt seem adept enough to block it. While deleted scenes are not cannon, I hold to the belief that they still reveal the intentions of the writer.
Saber=Sion 6/10 once again, being able to take more then one swing is a great gambit to have, and being able to feed off of the pain makes him capable of taking Vader in sabers.
All out, vader, 7/10. His combination of saber skills and force powers give him the win, whereas while sion appears to be a physical beast, he doesn't have very many force powers that he displays.
Originally posted by truejedi
then shaak ti died both on the invinsible hand, and on Felucia. Quite a feat, not matched by many!
...I didn't saying they are cannon, but they wouldn't have been written into the movie/game in the first place if they didn't reveal something that the writer wanted to show about the character.
Originally posted by Tangible God1. Sion impales himself like Vader did and sabers the life support
1. I honestly can't tell, but Sion is quite an unknown, and Vader is very powerful and is hardly a novice. I'd give it to Vader simply for that.2. Sion. No lightsaber, and Sion's Lightning equals bad news for Vader.
3. Vader. For some reason I feel confident his physical power could withstand any Lightning Sion could throw at him. Using his impressive TK to help him out, I think Vader would eventually out-duel Sion enough to reduce his body to ash.
That poor corpse just doesn't have enough known abilities to help him out too often.
sabers: vader, sion doent have a lot of skill, if he was unable to regenerate he would be screwed.
force: sion hangs in the air by the throat and gets raquetteballed around the room.
all out: sion hangs in the air by the throat and gets raquetteballed around the room twice as hard for his insolence against darh vader
Originally posted by Man of ChristANH Vader never SHOWED these abilities AT THAT TIME, IN THAT MOVIE(see I can be a KMC stubborn tight ass too) With what we see him do(totally disregarding everything else because it would hurt my arguement...*Tangible God*) in THAT SPECIFIC MOVIE AND ONLY THE MOVIE COUNTS AS TRUE CANON*guess who imma make fun with this one*
sabers: vader, sion doent have a lot of skill, if he was unable to regenerate he would be screwed.force: sion hangs in the air by the throat and gets raquetteballed around the room.
all out: sion hangs in the air by the throat and gets raquetteballed around the room twice as hard for his insolence against darh vader
Oh and IF he was unable to regenerate then what was the point of the talk on malachor..
That being said, use some thought and in sabers Sion impales himself like Vader did with the Maul fight and to more or less of the same effect but lives without any meaningful harm.
Originally posted by DarkSerpent
ANH Vader never SHOWED these abilities AT THAT TIME, IN THAT MOVIE(see I can be a KMC stubborn tight ass too) With what we see him do(totally disregarding everything else because it would hurt my arguement...*Tangible God*) in THAT SPECIFIC MOVIE AND ONLY THE MOVIE COUNTS AS TRUE CANON*guess who imma make fun with this one*Oh and IF he was unable to regenerate then what was the point of the talk on malachor..
That being said, use some thought and in sabers Sion impales himself like Vader did with the Maul fight and to more or less of the same effect but lives without any meaningful harm.
lol lets go there gameplay graphics only SHOW sion in basic stance and only using simple strokes ie he sucks at sabers if we do it like that
Originally posted by DarkSerpent
ANH Vader never SHOWED these abilities AT THAT TIME, IN THAT MOVIE(see I can be a KMC stubborn tight ass too) With what we see him do(totally disregarding everything else because it would hurt my arguement...*Tangible God*) in THAT SPECIFIC MOVIE AND ONLY THE MOVIE COUNTS AS TRUE CANON*guess who imma make fun with this one*Oh and IF he was unable to regenerate then what was the point of the talk on malachor..
That being said, use some thought and in sabers Sion impales himself like Vader did with the Maul fight and to more or less of the same effect but lives without any meaningful harm.
LOL by your logic mace windu is a shit ass duelist because his duel with palpatine in ROTS was so clunky(and that was the only time we ever saw him engage in a duel, hell even luke and vader were moving faster thanhim in ROTJ.
This "movie is true canon = vader is weak ass shit and slow" bullshit excuse is getting extremely old.
Just because he didn't do them in ANH does not mean he can't, hell we have never seen nihilus trying to cut his opponent off the force admist a duel, but does it mean he can't?
Originally posted by SchwarzeneggerIn case you didn't quite catch my drift, I was being a smartass and making of certain other members(you know the ones) nut since I must spell this out I'm guessing explaining things to you would far too time consuming to allow for the actual debate. In light of this, I'm not going to bother explaining obvious things to you. Instead, when I post sarcastic remarks intertwined with my actual opinion, your opinion about them will go unrecognized by me. So don't bother to even reply if you suspect any sarcasm at all since you wouldn't get what exactly is sarcastic in the post.
LOL by your logic mace windu is a shit ass duelist because his duel with palpatine in ROTS was so clunky(and that was the only time we ever saw him engage in a duel, hell even luke and vader were moving faster thanhim in ROTJ.This "movie is true canon = vader is weak ass shit and slow" bullshit excuse is getting extremely old.
Just because he didn't do them in ANH does not mean he can't, hell we have never seen nihilus trying to cut his opponent off the force admist a duel, but does it mean he can't?
Oh, and I love how people's opinion changes like a politician's any time the majority or senority comes to a different conclusion or when some important new reference comes along. Although I understand that these new references give more insight and information; whether they be games, movies, books,etc, some consistency would be nice.
Anyone should've been able to clearly see that Serpent's previous comment about ANH Vader being slow and weak was sarcasm. This picking on him for every little thing is getting a bit overblown. The "(see I can be a KMC stubborn tight ass too)" and "totally disregarding everything else because it would hurt my arguement" should've been self explanatory.
Without further adieu:
1. Sabers - Sion, 7/10.
2. Force - Sion, 6/10.
3. All-Out - Sion, 7/10.
In sabers only, Vader is clearly the better duelist. However, Sion is no slouch and will be able to take far more strikes than Vader can.
In Force only, Sion may have Force Lightning. What we know he does have, is Force Sever. And while Vader is powerful, we don't know if his mechanical body would be able to allow him to defend against it in time. Plus, unless Vader drops a Star Destroyer on Sion, what is his TK really going to do? Ditto with Force Choke.
Originally posted by EnyalusYou're standing up for me? Cool! Gideon isn't the only one that is willing to defend a jackass.
Anyone should've been able to clearly see that Serpent's previous comment about ANH Vader being slow and weak was sarcasm. This picking on him for every little thing is getting a bit overblown. The "(see I can be a KMC stubborn tight ass too)" and "totally disregarding everything else because it would hurt my arguement" should've been self explanatory.Without further adieu:
1. Sabers - Sion, 7/10.
2. Force - Sion, 6/10.
3. All-Out - Sion, 7/10.In sabers only, Vader is clearly the better duelist. However, Sion is no slouch and will be able to take far more strikes than Vader can.
In Force only, Sion may have Force Lightning. What we know he does have, is Force Sever. And while Vader is powerful, we don't know if his mechanical body would be able to allow him to defend against it in time. Plus, unless Vader drops a Star Destroyer on Sion, what is his TK really going to do? Ditto with Force Choke.
Originally posted by DarkSerpentFound the page
Once, But I can't find the damn thread.
Originally posted by EnyalusJust out of curiousity, where are you pulling your stats on Sion's saber skills? You said Vader is better, but because Sion isn't a slouch, he'd win? Pardon me, but that is absoluely terrible logic.
Anyone should've been able to clearly see that Serpent's previous comment about ANH Vader being slow and weak was sarcasm. This picking on him for every little thing is getting a bit overblown. The "(see I can be a KMC stubborn tight ass too)" and "totally disregarding everything else because it would hurt my arguement" should've been self explanatory.Without further adieu:
1. Sabers - Sion, 7/10.
2. Force - Sion, 6/10.
3. All-Out - Sion, 7/10.In sabers only, Vader is clearly the better duelist. However, Sion is no slouch and will be able to take far more strikes than Vader can.
In Force only, Sion may have Force Lightning. What we know he does have, is Force Sever. And while Vader is powerful, we don't know if his mechanical body would be able to allow him to defend against it in time. Plus, unless Vader drops a Star Destroyer on Sion, what is his TK really going to do? Ditto with Force Choke.