Reminding me day after day why ignoring you was such a great idea. Let me reiterate: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy confirms that Ragnos is trapped inside his tomb. He can't haul his intangible ass out for any galactic joyride any time he wants. Can someone of such power and knowledge likely find means to appear to others? Sure. It wouldn't surprise me if that is how he collected his disciples.
While i praise your intelligence and remarkable debating skills, i kind of disagree with somethings you just typed out here.
Originally posted by EnyalusWhoa whoa, how exactly is sion the better duelist when we know absolute shit about his dueling skills?Without further adieu:
1. Sabers - Sion, 7/10.
2. Force - Sion, 6/10.
3. All-Out - Sion, 7/10.In sabers only, Vader is clearly the better duelist. However, Sion is no slouch and will be able to take far more strikes than Vader can.
In Force only, Sion may have Force Lightning. What we know he does have, is Force Sever. And while Vader is powerful, we don't know if his mechanical body would be able to allow him to defend against it in time. Plus, unless Vader drops a Star Destroyer on Sion, what is his TK really going to do? Ditto with Force Choke.
And how exactly is sion "superior" to vader in the force considering that you gave sion a "win" in both the force an all out fight?
Oh and what is vaders tk going to do? Have you read TFU? He manages to give marek an ass beating with TK a few times before getting beaten, he casually chokes the shit out of rahm kota, a very skilled jedi that gave marek a beating and someone that destroyed an entire facility with a single force attack or the fact that in [i]the bounty hunter wars/i], he managed to choke the shit out of xizor thousands of miles away via a hologram, how about instantly snapping the neck of a jedi known as kento with relative ease?
If that doesn't work i don't see why vader wouldn't collapse a massive structure to pin sion considering that in one of the trailers, vader collapses a massive structure on kashykk(sp?).
Oh and where exactly did sion demonstrate sever force?
Originally posted by Schwarz
Whoa whoa, how exactly is sion the better duelist when we know absolute shit about his dueling skills?
In my analysis I said that Vader is the more skilled duelist. However, I gave Sion the majority and explained that decision to TG earlier in this thread, as well.
Originally posted by Me
Terrible logic, how? I acknowleged Vader as being superior. That being said, if Sion was struck 10 times, and Vader 5 - who do think is going to survive?I doubt Vader even outclasses him 2:1 so that's moot.
Originally posted by Schwarz
And how exactly is sion "superior" to vader in the force considering that you gave sion a "win" in both the force an all out fight?
Vader can use his TK to toss Sion around like a ragdoll all he wants (assuming that he even can). What's it going to do to Sion? All of his bones have already been broken. It's not going to kill Sion. It's just going to cause him some pain, which is going to make him stronger. Same thing with Force Choke. I doubt he breathes. A broken neck, Force Choke, big deal. It's not going to matter.
Originally posted by Schwarz
If that doesn't work i don't see why vader wouldn't collapse a massive structure to pin sion considering that in one of the trailers, vader collapses a massive structure on kashykk(sp?).
Well, I did say "unless he drops a Star Destroyer" on him. 😉 We had the same idea there, looks like.
Originally posted by Schwarz
Oh and where exactly did sion demonstrate sever force?
My bad, it's Force Drain. *nod*
Originally posted by EnyalusAcknowledged.
In my analysis I said that Vader is the more skilled duelist. However, I gave Sion the majority and explained that decision to TG earlier in this thread, as well.
Originally posted by EnyalusDoes it equate to him being the superior duelist? No, but anyways this does not matter as you made it clear earlier.
The Sith Triumvirate were quite a powerful group, and Sion was the leader of the Sith Assassins. His physical skills had to be fairly impressive. Thus giving him a narrow majority. If you were to ask me, "who would land more lightsaber strikes?" I'd answer Vader unequivocally.
Again, no where has it shown that sion actually still lives after being struck by a lightsaber, incase you don't know, a lightsaber generates enough heat and power to dissintegrate flesh so how exactly would sion be able to tank against that let alone use his will to hold something(his dissintigrated flesh) that isn't there any more?
Originally posted by EnyalusSo he is practically "immortal" or "invincible" is it? Then clearly explain how he was "struck down time and again" on a dark side world by the exile despite being "invincible"
Vader can use his TK to toss Sion around like a ragdoll all he wants (assuming that he even can). What's it going to do to Sion? All of his bones have already been broken. It's not going to kill Sion. It's just going to cause him some pain, which is going to make him stronger. Same thing with Force Choke. I doubt he breathes. A broken neck, Force Choke, big deal. It's not going to matter.
Whats it going to do to sion? How about slamming him against a sharp object that would practically split his body apart? He has never been shown to be strong enough to hold his body in such a way that it would prevent his body from being ripped apart by something hard.
Again where was it shown that force attacks didn't kill him? The extent of the battle between him and the exile is unknown, all we have is gameplay mechanics. How do we know that the exile actually tried using TK on a massive scale to bring him down?
Oh and DO prove that he doesn't breathe.
I can't really formulate a proper argument at the moment(busy as f*ck) but i'll be back later.
Originally posted by Big S
Again, no where has it shown that sion actually still lives after being struck by a lightsaber, incase you don't know, a lightsaber generates enough heat and power to dissintegrate flesh so how exactly would sion be able to tank against that let alone use his will to hold something(his dissintigrated flesh) that isn't there any more?
Hey now, make up your mind.
Originally posted by Big S
Then clearly explain how he was "struck down time and again" on a dark side world by the exile despite being "invincible"
Also, yes, I'm aware - if you were to ignite a lightsaber and slowly slice in and up the body, it's going to disintegrate what it touches. But, that's not how lightsaber duels go, obviously. They're quick slashes and thrusts. Vader isn't going to hit him, leave it in there and slowly move it around to destroy the tissue in the immediate area. He's going to cut his hand off, say, then Sion is going to pull it right back to his body using the Force and keep fighting.
Originally posted by Big S
So he is practically "immortal" or "invincible" is it?
Invincible, no. Immortal, yes. The Jedi Exile could not kill him. She had to convince him to die.
Originally posted by Big S
Oh and DO prove that he doesn't breathe.
Pretty sure that can't actually be done. But, think about it: his bones were literally crushed into tiny pieces - his body was made up of pieces of flesh. It's safe to assume that his lungs were either crushed or sliced apart. His ribcage being broken would alone puncture the lungs and ensure that breathing was an impossibility.
Originally posted by EnyalusSion's not invincible, immortal perhaps, but not invincible. It's a matter of patience on Vader's part. A lightsaber, no matter how it's thrusted, slashed or swung, will, when it makes contact with flesh, reduce it to energy and carbon. Unless Sion is actually God in disguise, he's not gonna be able to regrow flesh (which composes numerous elements) from nothing but microscopic ash particles. In fact, there's absolutely nothing to suggest that Sion can regrow flesh.Hey now, make up your mind.
Ring a bell? 😛 Can't have it both ways. Either he wasn't struck down numerous times and he's invincible, or he was and he can survive a lightsaber strike.
Also, yes, I'm aware - if you were to ignite a lightsaber and slowly slice in and up the body, it's going to disintegrate what it touches. But, that's not how lightsaber duels go, obviously. They're quick slashes and thrusts. Vader isn't going to hit him, leave it in there and slowly move it around to destroy the tissue in the immediate area. He's going to cut his hand off, say, then Sion is going to pull it right back to his body using the Force and keep fighting.
Invincible, no. Immortal, yes. The Jedi Exile could not kill him. She had to convince him to die.
Pretty sure that can't actually be done. But, think about it: his bones were literally crushed into tiny pieces - his body was made up of pieces of flesh. It's safe to assume that his lungs were either crushed or sliced apart. His ribcage being broken would alone puncture the lungs and ensure that breathing was an impossibility. [/B]
Oh and if he could regrow flesh, then bones, skin, and the brain need oxygen, so he'd have to breathe for that... which means use of the lungs.
Originally posted by TG
Sion's not invincible, immortal perhaps, but not invincible.
Originally posted by Me, before TG's post
Invincible, no. Immortal, yes.
WTF, man? 😛
Originally posted by TG
A lightsaber, no matter how it's thrusted, slashed or swung, will, when it makes contact with flesh, reduce it to energy and carbon. Unless Sion is actually God in disguise, he's not gonna be able to regrow flesh (which composes numerous elements) from nothing but microscopic ash particles. In fact, there's absolutely nothing to suggest that Sion can regrow flesh.
If someone were to put Jango's head back ontop of his body, and he were alive, he'd be able to move fine. If someone were able to reattach Maul's torso to his lower body, his movement would be fine. The same can be said about, say, Anakin's arm. Have you ever heard someone in SW using the phrase "he was struck down" in reference to them being killed with the Force? I haven't. It's always referring to being killed with a lightsaber. "He was struck down repeatedly" would indicate that he's been hit with a lightsaber numerous times and has survived.
Also, I never said he could regrow flesh or even insinuate it...but, Jedi can. It's called Force Heal. 😉 I'm just sayin'...
Originally posted by TG
Oh and if he could regrow flesh, then bones, skin, and the brain need oxygen, so he'd have to breathe for that... which means use of the lungs.
Look at his skin color. The skin is clearly dead and disgusting looking.
Originally posted by EnyalusOkay, you're not quite understanding something that's offered in Physics 101. If there's nothing left to attach, it can't be reattached! If there is no more flesh to reattach, Sion can't reattach it!
[BIf someone were to put Jango's head back ontop of his body, and he were alive, he'd be able to move fine. If someone were able to reattach Maul's torso to his lower body, his movement would be fine. The same can be said about, say, Anakin's arm. Have you ever heard someone in SW using the phrase "he was struck down" in reference to them being killed with the Force? I haven't. It's always referring to being killed with a lightsaber. "He was struck down repeatedly" would indicate that he's been hit with a lightsaber numerous times and has survived.[/B]
I can imagine Boba crying his eyes out and attempting to put his father's head back onto his body, then crying even more when he realizes that it doesn't work like that. There's a complex system of nerves and blood vessels to connect, nevermind mending the skin. Take into account the damage to his brain...
And what the hell are you talking about? What this "struck down" stuff? Why are you talking about this?