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Originally posted by quanchi112
False. He was only around 2,000 or so years old. We see him towards the end as still combating but at this point he was ready to die.

Russell has superior feats and ruthlessness to go with it.

No shame in being number 2 to Russell.

Educate yourself.

Russell was running from Godric for centuries.

He didn't show himself until Godric was dead.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
They were both hallucinations to an extent. The outcome between the real versions remains the same.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That's True Blood writers for you. Btw, did you notice a pattern here? Russell, Maryann and Warlow all met their true deaths in the sh1ttiest possible way ever.

Guess they don't have the end game planned out all too well.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your preference is your own. Characters usually grow and change. What we get used to sometimes changes along the way. To me Russell blazed a path like no other on the show.

Firstly, Russell is the only season antagonist to live past their season. That alone says something since the rest perished. Watching Alan Ball talk about Russell we see he feels season antagonists have to die. With that being said he was not the main season antagonist of season 5 so in their eyes he could not steal the spotlight again in the cliffhanger so we see him perish at the beginning of the final episode.

Alan Ball goes on to say the final death shows off how powerful he is and despite the awkward placement of it falling at the beginning of episode 12 we see why that went that way. At first I was greatly annoyed at them killing him off but now I am happy they did so. More is less. He had enough feats and screen time with legendary moments.

His dialogue was unmatched. Think about all the characters he killed off and affected. Eric Northman's family, Magister, Roman, Dieter Braun, and the Faerie Elder. Those are significant moments and impact players.

Just seeing him shuts waltz around and push people around in season five was awesome. When he finally had enough of playing nice we see him tell off the remainder of the Authority in epic fashion.

Just seeing the Faerie Elder speak of Warlow but the mere mention of Russell sends her into a panic. Unforgettable. Awesome. The best character of True Blood. Hands down.

Nothing a dev says accounts for taking the whole season to actually do something, the hype he was given for half a season to do nothing with, or his complete character change.

Like I said, Russell did have the most epic moments and impact of anyone on the show. Its the let down of that season that hurts his character in my eyes.

If Russell came back his as his normal self with the anger of Talbot's death, being twice betrayed by Eric (Talbot and the Sun), being trapped for a year by Eric and Bill, and most of all being pushed into madness from not feeding for a year like what everyone feared.. well there would be no disappointments, just more epicness.

Originally posted by Mindset
False, he is over 2k years old.

Educate yourself.

Russell was running from Godric for centuries.

He didn't show himself until Godric was dead.

Originally posted by Mindset
By the time we saw Godric he was disillusioned with his life, but he was a warrior for around 3k years.

They should have showed more of that version.

Godric for all his glory was suicidal and have himself up to Russell's ***** Newlin. That never sat well with me.

Originally posted by Mindset
That doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Warlow isn't really my fave character though. As I said before, trolling doesn't count as debating. I doubt you even know what the word "debating" means.

V's effects and its duration are dependent on the quality, which is dependent on the age of the vampire. Point proven.

Russell was every bit of a "chump" in Season 5 as Warlow allegedly was in Season 6. It must ruffle your feathers worse than anything. 😂

Violet dominated the female genpop. Eric dominated the male genpop. Warlow beat Bill. Season 6 highlighted the difference between older vamp vs younger vamp. I know it's a little hard to see that through the fanboy-blindness inducing quanglasses you wear, but I do have a hope that you'll get it soon enough. Even you can't be that far gone.

Bill tripped a Warlow that was speeding towards the rest of the group. The impalement didn't effect him. Bill was a nuisance. Warlow kicked him around like a dog before going for the Stackhouse home. Bill got owned in that scene, but the quanglasses predictably see it as a low showing for Warlow.

Warlow was wrecking sh1t until Niall returned. He neutralized and owned everyone from Bill, Andy, Violet and Jason. I made a number of predictions regarding the finale, and I was correct on everyone of them. Warlow beats the guy who gets owned by Sookie Stackhouse, lol.

There is no proof he was amped off V. You need to present evidence to support your claim. That's how debating works.

Russell was no such thing in season 5. He overpowered and easily killed Roman. Salome stated he was the only one powerful enough to do so.

He then goes on to easily own Eric Northman. You know that guy who causally just drained Warlow to achieve his goals.

We next wee Russell denying Salome until he has enough and physically owns her along with Nora while showing off his superiority to a room full of powerful vampires.

Warlow had his hands full with Bill as he was impaled and almost staked. He was only saved due to his lack of entry into the home aka Warlow was lucky. 😂

Eric dominated Warlow as well. Whoops.

I never said the older vampire always loses I said a younger vampire can kill an older one. We also take into account their history, feats, and personality.

You want to ignore everything and say Warlow wins. You said he easily dominates vampires. He doesn't. He relied on his faerie powers just like I said he did. He also was damaged and rocked by Bill despite the huge age gap.

Russell treated Bill like a scab. Warlow was tackled, impaled, and almost staked by Bill Compton.

I am glad he was not staked because his greatest humiliation was yet to come.

You then went from baseless claim to baseless claim. You said the dimension amped his strength without proof. It actually defied common sense. People laughed. Then you said he was amped off of V blood days later despite while being fed to be very weak at that moment as well. Another baseless claim because you are an awful debater. You don't know how to debate and think spouting nonsense you can't prove is of merit. 😆

Bill taking him on, tackling him, allowing for Sookie to escape, impaling him by catching him midblitz with an attack, and finally by showing the speed to almost stake him but being denied only because he can not enter a home without being invited in.

Context. Matters.

Niall then overpowered him by Fae strength alone while Jason has the time to stake him. Unbelievably pathetic. True Blood website also agrees. You are just a fanboy. That's all you ever will be. You won't ever debate someone like a man in a battlezone either.

Russell wins. Better feats, more ruthless than the hybrid who tosses people in a basement, and better showings against common opponents.

Russell beats the desperate loser who waited over five thousand years in hiding to get staked by Jason Stackhouse.

Russell just used him as a meat shield after he discerned Faerie information from him.

Russell rapes him.

Originally posted by BloodRain
I'd even put Ghost Marnie and Governor Burrell on that list, though the latter more for disappointment. I was hoping the first human properly shown schooling vampires would last a little longer, go out with a bang.

Guess they don't have the end game planned out all too well.
True, but I still feel that he pointlessly changed for the worst. They may of had their reasons for it, at the end of the day its still an unimpressive death.

Nothing a dev says accounts for taking the whole season to actually do something, the hype he was given for half a season to do nothing with, or his complete character change.

Like I said, Russell did have the most epic moments and impact of anyone on the show. Its the let down of that season that hurts his character in my eyes.

If Russell came back his as his normal self with the anger of Talbot's death, being twice betrayed by Eric (Talbot and the Sun), being trapped for a year by Eric and Bill, and most of all being pushed into madness from not feeding for a year like what everyone feared.. well there would be no disappointments, just more epicness.

In the end we find out he goes back to his own selfish ways. He defies the Authority as his patience wears thin. You see Russell defy Salome more in every scene until he snaps on her. In the end Russell is about himself. That's always been true about the character.

His death was glorious. It showed off his power, gave a reason why he could die since without the Fae attacking him and him lowering his guard that would not have been possible.

Beat death for a season antagonist yet IMO. That's why he is the top dog still to this day. You hear people still say he was the greatest part of the show. He was.

And then you have Warlow fanboys. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Godric for all his glory was suicidal and have himself up to Russell's ***** Newlin. That never sat well with me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The season overall's main arc was kind of all over the place but every scene of Russell's was magic in season 5. They had to change him temporarily as he they needed a reason why he did not just kill Bill or Eric when we know that could not happen. Russell is beyond them so they needed a reason why he wouldn't just kill them when he could have so easily.

In the end we find out he goes back to his own selfish ways. He defies the Authority as his patience wears thin. You see Russell defy Salome more in every scene until he snaps on her. In the end Russell is about himself. That's always been true about the character.

His death was glorious. It showed off his power, gave a reason why he could die since without the Fae attacking him and him lowering his guard that would not have been possible.

Beat death for a season antagonist yet IMO. That's why he is the top dog still to this day. You hear people still say he was the greatest part of the show. He was.

And then you have Warlow fanboys.

Eh, I dont see 'impressive' when I think of that death scene. The terminator walk? That was for sure. Getting owned (yes, lower guard) by Eric was not how a supercharged ancient vampire should have died. It may have been the best death, mostly because True Blood seems to be really bad at killing off antagonists.

One of if not 'the' best character. Doesnt mean these things don't bring him down a notch. Well, at least in my eyes :T And I'm not saying anything about Warlow as he did the exact same things above I mentioned about Russell, dialled up to 11..

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do battlezones while you troll. That's all you ever will be.

There is no proof he was amped off V. You need to present evidence to support your claim. That's how debating works.

Russell was no such thing in season 5. He overpowered and easily killed Roman. Salome stated he was the only one [B]powerful enough to do so.

He then goes on to easily own Eric Northman. You know that guy who causally just drained Warlow to achieve his goals.

We next wee Russell denying Salome until he has enough and physically owns her along with Nora while showing off his superiority to a room full of powerful vampires.

Warlow had his hands full with Bill as he was impaled and almost staked. He was only saved due to his lack of entry into the home aka Warlow was lucky. 😂

Eric dominated Warlow as well. Whoops.

I never said the older vampire always loses I said a younger vampire can kill an older one. We also take into account their history, feats, and personality.

You want to ignore everything and say Warlow wins. You said he easily dominates vampires. He doesn't. He relied on his faerie powers just like I said he did. He also was damaged and rocked by Bill despite the huge age gap.

Russell treated Bill like a scab. Warlow was tackled, impaled, and almost staked by Bill Compton.

I am glad he was not staked because his greatest humiliation was yet to come.

You then went from baseless claim to baseless claim. You said the dimension amped his strength without proof. It actually defied common sense. People laughed. Then you said he was amped off of V blood days later despite while being fed to be very weak at that moment as well. Another baseless claim because you are an awful debater. You don't know how to debate and think spouting nonsense you can't prove is of merit. 😆

Bill taking him on, tackling him, allowing for Sookie to escape, impaling him by catching him midblitz with an attack, and finally by showing the speed to almost stake him but being denied only because he can not enter a home without being invited in.

Context. Matters.

Niall then overpowered him by Fae strength alone while Jason has the time to stake him. Unbelievably pathetic. True Blood website also agrees. You are just a fanboy. That's all you ever will be. You won't ever debate someone like a man in a battlezone either.

Russell wins. Better feats, more ruthless than the hybrid who tosses people in a basement, and better showings against common opponents.

Russell beats the desperate loser who waited over five thousand years in hiding to get staked by Jason Stackhouse.

Russell just used him as a meat shield after he discerned Faerie information from him.

Russell rapes him. [/B]

Wrong. Eric owned Russell 2 different times. First he outsped him in "Fresh Blood", then he outright killed a faerie-high Russell in "Save Yourself". Far more pathetic showings compared to Warlow needing to be magic-chained to a statue for Eric to stand a chance against him.

Wrong, Warlow treated him as a nuisance. The impalement had no effect on him. He kicked Bill off like a dog. Bill was no match for him without the Lilith-powers.

Nope, I merely pointed out that Niall was fed the blood before being thrown there. V's effects last depending on the age-based quality of the vampire from which it was obtained. I didn't even say that the dimension literally amped Niall'strength, because otherwise he wouldn't have needed Sookie/Jason's help to come out. That dimension was what held Warlow for 20 years, so logically its energy is the only thing capable of holding him back while Jason stakes him. You twisted my words out of context, just like you do with everyone you debate against.

Warlow beats the guy who got pwned and humiliated by Sookie Stackhouse.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Lol at me you debating and me trolling. Look at who's talking. The guy who got nominated as the top fanboyish troll on 2 different forums, and got banned on a third. You're the very definition of hypocrite.

Wrong. Eric owned Russell 2 different times. First he outsped him in "Fresh Blood", then he outright killed a faerie-high Russell in "Save Yourself". Far more pathetic showings compared to Warlow needing to be magic-chained to a statue for Eric to stand a chance against him.

Wrong, Warlow treated him as a nuisance. The impalement had no effect on him. He kicked Bill off like a dog. Bill was no match for him without the Lilith-powers.

Nope, I merely pointed out that Niall was fed the blood before being thrown there. V's effects last depending on the age-based quality of the vampire from which it was obtained. I didn't even say that the dimension literally amped Niall'strength, because otherwise he wouldn't have needed Sookie/Jason's help to come out. That dimension was what held Warlow for 20 years, so logically its energy is the only thing capable of holding him back while Jason stakes him. You twisted my words out of context, just like you do with everyone you debate against.

Warlow beats the guy who got pwned and humiliated by Sookie Stackhouse.

So you are back to ignoring the context of why it happened. The series creators explained it. You're a troll and hide from the context. Russell owned him after he staked Roman. Warlow never owned Eric. 😂

Repeating yourself while ignoring the context of their fight isn't debating. You think it is but then again who cares no one knows who you are, killer. Bill tackled him, impaled him, and almost staked a vampire who was over 5,000 years older than him.

Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
I am not defending quanchi but the light from Niall came from the portal. He was literally wrapped in that. It wasn't even a bright light.

It was the same energy that composed the portal. And Niall wouldn't have implied he was struggling if it was fairy light. As that would have left Warlow powerless.

And there was no difference in the light after warlow died. So it had to be the portal's energy as otherwise Niall would have extinguished it.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
It was a little bit of his blood, and she was also injured. Still, it amped her enough to temporarily overpower him and almost stake him. Niall was able to break through temporarily enough in order to hol him long enough for Jason to stake him. His hands were also glowing when he held Warlow. We've seen faery light able to restrain Warlow before. Wrong, it depends on the quality of V for how long it lasts. Alcide's V lasted even after he killed JD. The older the vampire, the higher the quality of V. Eric's blood was much stronger than Bill's, and Godric's was much stronger than Eric's. Think.

Your point being? Eric, Kibwe, Sookie and the Authority soldiers(whom Nora, Pam and Tara easily pwned) weren't older than Russell either.

LOL. He kicked Bill away like a ragdoll. Bill was a nuisance. He rubbed it in his face when Bill couldn't enter the house, before blasting him away with his light. He was cleaning house against everyone involved in that episode until Niall made his surprise comeback. Great showing.

😂

Warlow kicks Russell like a ragdoll and then blasts him to unconsciousness.

Hahaha. More proof you don't understand what is going on. That was not Niall's Fae magic it was the dimensional portal. 😂

Russell raped Bill in combat. Bill almost killed Warlow and he was only saved by a house. Funniest part is his most embarrassing showing came after. When Niall overpowered an older vampire than he is a Fae.

Russell's strength shits all over Niall's.

Russell slaps his head off or stakes him like he did Roman.

Originally posted by BloodRain
He was pulling a Jesus. Tired of the bloodshed he was willing to die for the vampires sins.

I know why, but it was that exact reason which put a thorn in my paw. Pointless character 180's are rarely done well. And thats my second issue, that it took all the hype and lapdogness for him to finally be Russell.. for one episode at the end. If they kept up the "In the end Russell is about himself" thing the season would have been greater.

Eh, I dont see 'impressive' when I think of that death scene. The terminator walk? That was for sure. Getting owned (yes, lower guard) by Eric was not how a supercharged ancient vampire should have died. It may have been the best death, mostly because True Blood seems to be really bad at killing off antagonists.

One of if not 'the' best character. Doesnt mean these things don't bring him down a notch. Well, at least in my eyes :T And I'm not saying anything about Warlow as he did the exact same things above I mentioned about Russell, dialled up to 11..

When Russell gets annoyed people and vampires die. Take the Magister for instance. He lost his cool and just killed him on the spot. This has always been Russell.

He was being attacked by over twenty Fae, and died via speed blitz over someone faster than a bullet via weakness exploitation after he lowered his guard. I mean wtf else do you want to hear. He is not like Ganondorf and loses in a fair one on one sword fight at the end.

Warlow never had the feats, the sheer villainy, the screen presence, or the sheer charm of Russell Edgington. Russell survived his first season as antagonist. Only one to do so yet. That says something.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well, he was annoyed initially due to events to flip in the first place. He did not with a clear mind think I will go murder a tv anchor and be the target of the Authority and the human population.

When Russell gets annoyed people and vampires die. Take the Magister for instance. He lost his cool and just killed him on the spot. This has always been Russell.

He was being attacked by over twenty Fae, and died via speed blitz over someone faster than a bullet via weakness exploitation after he lowered his guard. I mean wtf else do you want to hear. He is not like Ganondorf and loses in a fair one on one sword fight at the end.

Warlow never had the feats, the sheer villainy, the screen presence, or the sheer charm of Russell Edgington. Russell survived his first season as antagonist. Only one to do so yet. That says something.

Personally, what do you think about him being 'lapdog-Russ' instead of that?

As said the terminator walk was cool. The extremely short lived Supercharge being ended by his physical inferior is not as epic. You mentioned Ganondorf so to no get into an off-topic about him, it was a physical equal with weakness exploitation lasting 4 rounds. I'd prefer if this Russell wasn't so easily killed off, like him being amped up meant nothing when it should be a major point.

Originally posted by BloodRain
It was those annoyed moments that I was looking forward to, the normal Russell edged on by revenge and Fae lust. Those were initial hopes for that season.

Personally, what do you think about him being 'lapdog-Russ' instead of that?

As said the terminator walk was cool. The extremely short lived Supercharge being ended by his physical inferior is not as epic. You mentioned Ganondorf so to no get into an off-topic about him, it was a physical equal with weakness exploitation lasting 4 rounds. I'd prefer if this Russell wasn't so easily killed off, like him being amped up meant nothing when it should be a major point.

Russell defied her more and more every scene. He tried to play nice but outside Lilith's blood he basically did what he wanted when he wanted.

He lowered his guard. Using a speed blitz via weakness exploitation to kill him in this manner while fighting 20 plus opponents really highlighted his formidability if nothing else.

Link is far less powerful and beat him straight up. Link did not need to catch him off guard he just flat out beat him. Link was better than the villain unlike Eric who needed the ideal situation to achieve his goal. Certain villains are beyond their heroes and need help as they cant beat them straight up unlike Ganondorf.

Russell was not amped in that scene. He was high, lowered his guard, and being poured into by a bunch of Faeries.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He ended up that way. You need to build to something towards the end not start out in that manner right out of the gate.

Russell defied her more and more every scene. He tried to play nice but outside Lilith's blood he basically did what he wanted when he wanted.

He lowered his guard. Using a speed blitz via weakness exploitation to kill him in this manner while fighting 20 plus opponents really highlighted his formidability if nothing else.

Link is far less powerful and beat him straight up. Link did not need to catch him off guard he just flat out beat him. Link was better than the villain unlike Eric who needed the ideal situation to achieve his goal. Certain villains are beyond their heroes and need help as they cant beat them straight up unlike Ganondorf.

Russell was not amped in that scene. He was high, lowered his guard, and being poured into by a bunch of Faeries.

Physically, and the 'catching off guard' part is not something thats all too impressive. The point is he was easily offed right after becoming the threat we were all waiting for him to become.

new showrunner talks this past season and teases next season...

http://www.tvguide.com/News/True-Blood-Season7-Spoilers-1069409.aspx

"yes, Eric Northman (Alexander Skarsgard) will be back,"

Well that's good, he's the last decent character left in the series.

Originally posted by BloodRain
But they were building as half the season everyone was hyping up his maniacal return, and it took until his last episode to do something. And you're talking about a slow build up for someone who, besides being built up, admitted to being a lapdog. He shouldnt have been playing nice unless he was doing it for a proper reason.

Physically, and the 'catching off guard' part is not something thats all too impressive. The point is he was easily offed right after becoming the threat we were all waiting for him to become.

Did you miss him stake Roman ? Did you miss him own Eric Northman ?Did you miss him slap Dieter's head off ? Did you miss him intimidate the Werewolves ? Did you miss him physically assault Salome and then verbally berate the rest of the Authority ? Did you miss him own the Elder Faerie ?

He played nice until he couldn't stand it anymore as she went directly against what he wanted. It was not even for longer than a few days.

He was not easily offed. We see him taking on 20 plus Faeries and then for a 1,000 year old vampire to come out of nowhere and stake him with his guard lowered.

He was not the main season antagonist. He could not be the final threat so you are complaining about the placement of his death at the beginning of the episode. I don't particularly care. Russell had no rival in a fair fight. We see without the whole being high, lowering guard, while being attacked he would not have died. That's the point. In a fair fight he rapes Northman. In a fair fight Link beats Ganondorf.

The villain should be greater than the hero but in Zelda it is the opposite.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What ?

Did you miss him stake Roman ? Did you miss him own Eric Northman ?Did you miss him slap Dieter's head off ? Did you miss him intimidate the Werewolves ? Did you miss him physically assault Salome and then verbally berate the rest of the Authority ? Did you miss him own the Elder Faerie ?

He played nice until he couldn't stand it anymore as she went directly against what he wanted. It was not even for longer than a few days.

He was not easily offed. We see him taking on 20 plus Faeries and then for a 1,000 year old vampire to come out of nowhere and stake him with his guard lowered.

He was not the main season antagonist. He could not be the final threat so you are complaining about the placement of his death at the beginning of the episode. I don't particularly care. Russell had no rival in a fair fight. We see without the whole being high, lowering guard, while being attacked he would not have died. That's the point. In a fair fight he rapes Northman. In a fair fight Link beats Ganondorf.

The villain should be greater than the hero but in Zelda it is the opposite.

When the greatest antagonist only terminator walks for 5 seconds to get instantly killed off without resisting, thats not impressive.

I've already told you this is my personal reason why this season felt like a let down for what Russell could have been, as was his death. Him being high, lower guard and being flanked being reasons why he died does not make his death any better. Just solidifies that they killed him off in another lacklustre way.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Already said that the two moments were just teasers in the last episode with him, where he made the speech and became the proper Russell again. Lapdog for 5 episodes, with the first 6 telling us a raging badass was coming back into town.. only half an episode and two moments being what we were built up for.

When the greatest antagonist only terminator walks for 5 seconds to get instantly killed off without resisting, thats not impressive.

I've already told you this is my personal reason why this season felt like a let down for what Russell could have been, as was his death. Him being high, lower guard and being flanked being reasons why he died does not make his death any better. Just solidifies that they killed him off in another lacklustre way.

He defied her consistently and then when she would not go along with him.

Due to the speed, lowering guard, being attacked by 20 plus Faeries, and staked .

Yes, it is. One hero just crushing the villain in a fight is not impressive at all. Unlike Ganondorf Rusell was beyond Eric Northman in a fair fight.

That's your opinion but again in terms of a threat he is on another level than the heroes unlike other lackluster villains.

Originally posted by Robtard
"yes, Eric Northman (Alexander Skarsgard) will be back,"

Well that's good, he's the last decent character left in the series.

Have you seen his abs bro?

Also, his new ***** is hot.