I've read the story, that's not how it happened.
GL John Stewart lost that fight before it even started. No of his powers worked on Konvikt from the outset. Neither did Firestorms or anyone elses for that matter.
Flash being taken out by a T-clap is no big deal, especially if he doesn't know it's coming.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33This is where Stewart lost his concentration and got beat on:
That whole post is speculation.
This is where Flash gets tko'ed by a measly thunderclap. Busiek musta really dug hard for that one. Where'd he go? Some classic Hulk vs Flash forum? From: Busiek To: All the Hulk fanboys who believed:
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/8738/konviktthunderclap1ht7.jpg
😂
Even before that, Flash got knocked around by a shockwave stomp. Seriously... Flash is supposed to faster than sonic booms and vibrations. Oops, guess not:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/2221/konviktflash1xm1.jpg
And about Firestorm. Never mind about the off-panel crack. Apparently this is where he's knocked out, by a flying rock:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/428450/Trinity03-005.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/428454/Trinity03-008.jpg.html
Konvikt is pierced by Red Arrow's arrows:
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/32/konviktblacklight2gs9.jpg
Like I said. Whoopdie-doo.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33You don't need to put words into my mouth. You've essentially defeated exactly what you set out to prove a page ago.
He lost his concentration as far as using his power is concerned. He was looking right at Konvikt before he got dropped. John Stewart never stood a chance in that fight.So, by your estimation, no brick should ever be able to defeat the Flash?
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
The only people I saw worth anything in the entire JLA was Superman, and Wonder Woman.... what other members are you saying that would give King Hulk a hard time? Black Canary? Hawk Girl?
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33This is what I was responding to. As you yourself pointed out, Stewart was a virtual non-factor in this fight. Flash got knocked out by stomping and clapping. Firestorm got knocked out by a flying piece of rock. What? WWH can't beat a GL that can't use his powers? WWH can't stomp and thunderclap? What, WWH can't make debris rain about to knock out idjits like Firestorm who turns his back on his enemy? Please.
GL, Flash, Firestorm.Konvikt was completely uninjured throughout that fight.
And on KMC, no brick should EVER defeat Flash.
In my honest opinion Konvikt just doesn't have enough feats for me to believe that he can take King hulk after all of the abuse he stood up to, after shifting a tectonic plate, after nearly sinking the east coast, taking a blast that tore a chunk of the moon off the size of a small state, and taking on the earth heros without being locked down until he willed himself to be.
Konvikt has alot to catch up to, and the JLA debacle just isn't enough to cut it. Just remember that the Flash was knocked silly by a less powerful footfall than the one that nearly broke the east coast off.
Konvikt's feats pale in comparison, if you were to really give it some thought.
Originally posted by Allankles
The next issue was seconds later and Superman got up, merely groggy. What surprised his team mates was that he didn't shrug off the punch but it actually brought him down.
That's what happened to Mike Tyson when Lennox Lewis layed him out, it was seconds later that he got up a little groggy. The fact still remains that he was knocked out.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Wow, what I got from your response is that you have an over inflated view of the JLA.Those people I listed would destroy the JLA.
And you don't have a real understanding of Sentry, especially him going all out. And WWHulk survived a hellfire blast from Zarathos that blew an area of New York away.
And Superman has survived all manner of crazy crap doesn't make a difference. Your list was full of guys some members of the JLA would take care of individually let alone as a group given the same circumstances as WWH.
If a brick like WWH can get it done I'm sure guys like WW, Supes, MM, Flash, GL, Firestorm, Zatanna have a fair chance of replicating this. As far as Sentry's display nothing in that fight put WWH above getting handled by the JLA.
They've fought better and survived greater challenges than any WWH would present. You're crazy for thinking WWH would handle the JLA heavy hitters at the same time, individually I'd favor some of them to take the majority over WWH let alone as a group.
Originally posted by Allankles
And Superman has survived all manner of crazy crap doesn't make a difference. Your list was full of guys some members of the JLA would take care of individually let alone by themselves given the same circumstances as WWH.If a brick like WWH can get it done I'm sure guys like WW, Supes, MM, Flash, GL, Firestorm, Zatanna have a fair chance of replicating this. As far as Sentry's display nothing in that fight put WWH above getting handled by the JLA.
They've fought better and survived greater challenges than any WWH would present. You're crazy for thinking WWH would handle the JLA heavy hitters at the same time, individually I'd favor some of them to take the majority over WWH let alone as a group.
I think your trying to favor DC as a whole here.
Sorry but the JLA could not stand up to the people I listed.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
I think your trying to favor DC as a whole here.Sorry but the JLA could not stand up to the people I listed.
Under the same circumstances as Hulk was in WWH? You're having a laugh. Superman alone would replicate what WWH did, I'd bet on it. The JLA against WWH has only one result: Hulk getting beat.
Originally posted by Allankles
Under the same circumstances as Hulk was in WWH? You're having a laugh. Superman alone would replicate what WWH did, I'd bet on it. The JLA against WWH has only one result: Hulk getting beat.
Yes you really like DC, I get it. But your really over-estimating DC here.
Did you even read the battle he had with Sentry?
Originally posted by Aster PhoenixFighting Sentry doesn't really mean he could take on the League all at once...unless they fought like idiots. Hulk fought people one after another with the exception of X-Men (who Wondy could probably solo most herself anyway) where he fought a group all at once but at the full extent of their power the JLA would beat everybody Hulk did with possibly the exception of Strange depending on what he did..but he would have beaten Hulk at any time he wanted also he just didn't want to kill him.
Yes you really like DC, I get it. But your really over-estimating DC here.Did you even read the battle he had with Sentry?
And I'm not favoring DC anywhere. Hulk is one dimensional brick what is he bringing that the JLA haven't faced before? He'd get handled in individual battles by some members of the JLA; as a group they're too powerful for Hulk.
I'd like to think I see things as they are, I don't base my analysis on plot devices. As far as WWH vs Konvikt goes I think they're about the same, the difference is Konvikt can transform the outer layer of his body into armor, increasing his durability significantly.
IMO it allows him to tank what WWH cannot. Furthermore I recognize that the JLA were somewhat at a disadvantage in that fight as they had civilians to worry about, the fight wasn't allowed to drag on. Personally, I think the JLA would've handled Konvikt eventually without need for the synthesized alien gas.
