WWH vs. Konvikt

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
WWH one-shots Superman like Konvikt did. WWH rapes Wonder Woman like Doomsday always did. WWH uses a shockwave stomp and thunderclap to KO Flash like Konvikt did. WWH handles Zatanna by punching her in the gut making her vomit like Deathstroke did. WWH handles MM by making him see the dead millions and reducing him to a crying infant like Black Adam did. WWH handles Firestorm by throwing a rock at his head like Konvikt did.

You happy?
Superman would not defeat Darwin who could simply evolve into a kryptonite or red sun form. Superman would not survive Zarathos' hellfire blast. He would not survive Dr. Strange using magic on his mind. Superman would not survive Zom Strange punching holes in him.

Wonderwoman probably wouldn't tank Black Bolt's scream. Wonderwoman couldn't defeat Darwin. Wonderwoman probably couldn't tank a full intensity nova flame blast + lightning strike, unless she blocked it. Wonderwoman probably couldn't tank thousands of adamantium shards tearing her to pieces either... although I guess she could block em. Wonderwoman wouldn't beat Zom Strange. Wonderwoman wouldn't beat gonzo Sentry.

An attack that destroyed Rhode Island really doesn't seem beyond something WW could take. It's not like WW wouldn't be able to block Storm, and Torch's attack so that's kinda pointless. What she can't tank she could block which really is almost the same as Hulk healing from what he can't tank.. Hulk wouldn't of beaten Strange either. He never would have gotten a chance to counter. So that's again not really the issue. And couldn't WW of just sat there blocking until Sentry ran out of juice?

Originally posted by Mindset
Since when did Superman have NO magic vulnerability?

However if the item is simply enchanted with light (as an example) even if it is a weapon it won't hurt Superman.

He doesn't have a specific vulnerability it's just that some magical enchantments/spells can override physical law and hurt him, this is not unique to Superman is all I'm saying.

Originally posted by Allankles
Since his current iteration? Writers don't interpret it as some unique vulnerability anymore, it never made sense anyway to begin with. If something is enchanted to inflict some specific kind of damage it will damage Superman or anyone else according to the parametres of the enchantment.

However if the item is simply enchanted with light (as an example) even if it is a weapon it won't hurt Superman.

He doesn't have a specific vulnerability it's just that some magical enchantments/spells can override physical law and hurt him, this is not unique to Superman is all I'm saying.

Last thing I saw was that he got an upgraded defense.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
It's Hellfire with the force and effect of a small nuke, you get that right?

Where was it shown that magic no longer effects him.

And Hellfire kills normal and supernatural people, a small nuke of it would kill supes.

How strong is Lucifer?

When he was at half strength GR killed him with hellfire blast.

Eh I'll just leave the whole Ghost Rider thing alone as I've got no real clue how powerful he is or anything. I just thought it was a normal magical attack. Not some super special magical attack.

Originally posted by Mindset
How strong is Lucifer?

When he was at half strength GR killed him with hellfire blast.

Who was in control at the time? Blaze or Zarathos?

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
When was this shown?

Superman 660 I believe Arion tries to use a spell to control Supes mind and he resisted it. Zatanna had also taught him about the principles of magic to help him overcome certain enchantments.

Again, no specific vulnerability was demonstrated through that arc (I believe it was the Camelot Falls arc). The whole magic vulnerability was in the silver age, they writers felt they needed another weakness to temper Superman's power and even-out the playing field, but it was never consistent with the character's physical stats; his Krytponian dna or anything. There's nothing unique about him that makes him more vulnerable to it than others.

I don't remember.

Blaze probably.

Originally posted by Allankles
Superman 660 I believe Arion tries to use a spell to control Supes mind and he resisted it. Zatanna had also taught him about the principles of magic to help him overcome certain enchantments.

Again, no specific vulnerability was demonstrated through that arc (I believe it was the Camelot Falls arc). The whole magic vulnerability was in the silver age, they writers felt they needed another weakness to temper Superman's power and even-out the playing field, but it was never a consistent with the character physical stats; his Krytponian dna or anything. There's nothing unique about him that makes him more vulnerable to it than others.

And the reason Zatanna, and someone else, PS maybe(can't remember), enabled him to fight off magic was because of his weakness.

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't remember.

Blaze probably.

Wow, Zarathos is more powerful then Blaze so that speaks allot about his power.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Where was it shown that magic no longer effects him.

And Hellfire kills normal and supernatural people, a small nuke of it would kill supes.

Yet it never killed WWH who has no special resistance to it. Do you see your WWH bias? Superman has survived worse. The Mageddon warhead could be considered magical as well since Mageddon wasn't exactly a natural being (he wasn't super evolved like the new gods or anything) he was a gigantic psionic/mystical entity.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yet it never killed WWH who has no special resistance to it. Do you see your WWH bias? Superman has survived worse. The Mageddon warhead could be considered magical as well since Mageddon wasn't exactly a natural being (he wasn't super evolved like the new gods or anything) he was a gigantic psionic/mystical entity.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, the magic vulnerability wasn't just in the silver age. *smacks*

And the reason Zatanna, and someone else, PS maybe(can't remember), enabled him to fight off magic was because of his weakness.

It wasn't because of his weakness but his understanding. Does WWH understand magic? No. Does he have any special resistance to it? No. So Zatanna's teaching were primarily to help him deal with Arion who is a magical being, it wasn't because of some weakness, it was because he needed knowledge to better handle Arion which he did.

I don't think you understand. If a knife is enchanted to cut anything it will cut Superman (as well as anyone without a special resistance immunity like the Hulk). However if the knife is enchanted with fire or light, it won't cut Superman. Basically, Superman has no vulnerability specific to him or his species.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Where was it shown that magic no longer effects him.

And Hellfire kills normal and supernatural people, a small nuke of it would kill supes.

Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?

I've shown you scans of Superman breathing in a whole lot of hellfire without any damage whatsoever.

So, where is the proof to your absurd claim?

Sorry, but can someone tell me who the hell this Konvikt is. Ive noticed a couple of threads with the name. did this person appear just recently?

Originally posted by jrodslam
Sorry, but can someone tell me who the hell this Konvikt is. Ive noticed a couple of threads with the name. did this person appear just recently?

Originally posted by Faux Smurph
Flavor of the week character. A brick that did some damage to the JLA. From Trinity, I think.

Ahh trinity. Thanks.😄

Originally posted by Allankles
It wasn't because of his weakness but his understanding. Does WWH understand magic? No. Does he have any special resistance to it? No. So Zatanna's teaching were primarily to help him deal with Arion who is a magical being, it wasn't because of some weakness, it was because he needed knowledge to better handle Arion which he did.

I don't think you understand. If a knife is enchanted to cut anything it will cut Superman (as well as anyone without a special resistance immunity like the Hulk). However if the knife is enchanted with fire or light, it won't cut Superman. Basically, Superman has no vulnerability specific to him or his species.

If there is a generic magically attack Superman would be hurt more than a person who had identical durability, but lacked his magical weakness.