Originally posted by Aster PhoenixMost of the X-men are pretty much human durability, and slower than she is since she's got the whole light speed thing most DC heroes have. So yea she could solo a good lot of them barring Juggernaut. I don't know how good her tp defense is though. But beings that are slower, and have durability that of a human or slightly higher means she can solo a lot of them.
Okay again, when you say things like WW can take one all the X-men at once, your coming of as very DC biased.And no, he did fight allot of them at the same time.
And Not really. They more or less came one right after another not all at once like the X-men did.
Originally posted by AllanklesEh what Hulk can't tank he can just heal from nearly instantly... Just durability only goes so far. But that's my opinion.
And I'm not favoring DC anywhere. Hulk is one dimensional brick what is he bringing that the JLA haven't faced before? He'd get handled in individual battles by some members of the JLA; as a group they're too powerful for Hulk.I'd like to think I see things as they are, I don't base my analysis on plot devices. As far as WWH vs Konvikt goes I think they're about the same, the difference is Konvikt can transform the outer layer of his body into armor, increasing his durability significantly.
IMO it allows him to tank what WWH cannot. Furthermore I recognize that the JLA were somewhat at a disadvantage in that fight as they had civilians to worry about, the fight wasn't allowed to drag on. Personally, I think the JLA would've handled Konvikt eventually without need for the synthesized alien gas.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Okay again, when you say things like WW can take one all the X-men at once, your coming of as very DC biased.And no, he did fight allot of them at the same time.
The X men are not the JLA. None of the guys WWH faced even approach JLA heavy hitters like Superman, WW, Flash in the physical department. Then you have magicians like Zatanna and matter manipulaters and telepaths like MM, energy manipulators of the highest order like Firestorm. And you want to bring up the X-Men? It seems to me you underestimate the JLA heavy hitters. Individually some of them have what it takes to beat WWH, as a group? Why shouldn't they be able to handle Hulk?
Originally posted by Allankles
The X men are not the JLA. None of the guys WWH faced even approach JLA heavy hitters like Superman, WW, Flash in the physical department. Then you have magicians like Zatanna and matter manipulaters and telepaths like MM, energy manipulators of the highest order like Firestorm. And you want to bring up the X-Men? It seems to me you underestimate the JLA heavy hitters. Individually some of them have what it takes to beat WWH, as a group? Why shouldn't they be able to handle Hulk?
Let's see, he handled Sentry, so he can take people of Supes and WW's level.
As far as Magic, he survived a Hellfire nuke from Zarathos that would've fried Zatanna and most of the JLA.
The Jason FS bearly knows how to use his powers.
The Martian wasn't part of that fight. But Xavier couldn't stop him so TP is out.
Originally posted by Aster PhoenixWonder Woman has moved faster than humans can register...So yea she's going to be blitzing the human durability ones and anybody she's strong enough to one-shot. And while I doubt she'd be able to even slow Juggernaut as Hulk did she's smart enough to BFR him like Hulk did.
I have never seen WW move like the Flash, I've never seen her actually speedblitz a person in combat.Still the fact remains, WWhulk overcame more then Konvikt did and didn't get knocked out.
Some of the attacks Hulk faced would've killed most of the JLA.
And nearly all that Hulk took head on Superman, and Wonder Woman could take head on also. Possibly MM also. I don't know how well a GL's durability is without using his ring or Firestorms so I can't say anything about them. Aren't most of the other JLA'ers also human level in durability though?
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Let's see, he handled Sentry, so he can take people of Supes and WW's level.As far as Magic, he survived a Hellfire nuke from Zarathos that would've fried Zatanna and most of the JLA.
The Jason FS bearly knows how to use his powers.
The Martian wasn't part of that fight. But Xavier couldn't stop him so TP is out.
Again Hulk has no special defenses against magic so if he survived, Superman who has survived far worse as well WW, GL and the rest of the league would most definitely survive Zarathos's blast. Hawkgirl has special defenses against magic, and Canary can get protected by GL or Zatanna.
You think WWH would be considered that great of a threat considering they've faced down threats like Mageddon and Imperiex? C'mon you're arguing like you're new to comics. WWH was great for Hulk but let's not get carried away.
How? Superman could survive the black bird hitting him, could survive something that would destroy Rhode Island, could survive nukes. So could Wonder Woman. That's undeniable. Everything Hulk was hit with those two could survive also. They've survived worse. Hulk's survived worse.
As for the X-Men..how many aren't low durability. Colossus? Strong Guy? The person that was punted to Jersey? Logan and X-23? Who else wouldn't be koed in one shot from somebody in the 100 tons class if they wanted to actually kill them and moved faster than they could react?
Originally posted by Allankles
Again Hulk has no special defenses against magic so if he survived, Superman who has survived far worse as well WW, GL and the rest of the league would most definitely survive Zarathos's blast. Hawkgirl has special defenses against magic, and Canary can get protected by GL or Zatanna.You think WWH would be considered that great of a threat considering they've faced down threats like Mageddon and Imperiex? C'mon you're arguing like you're new to comics. WWH was great for Hulk but let's not get carried away.
Wow, you do know they had allot of help with Mageddon AND Imperiex?
You like DC I get it, but you shouldn't let that bias get in the way here.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Okay you are seeming too DC biased here.
No, you seem to have a WWH bias or don't seem to know much about the JL heavyweights. Superman for one absorbed a Mageddon warhead which was going to wipe out the entire galaxy. For a guy like to get taken out by Zarathos' blast? It's just not happening.
Originally posted by Allankles
No, you seem to have a WWH bias or don't seem to know much about the JL heavyweights. Superman for one absorbed a Mageddon warhead which was going to wipe out the entire galaxy. For a guy like to get taken out by Zarathos' blast? It's just not happening.
Actually not to nitpick, but Supes is vulnerable to magic. Zarathos would eat him for breakfast and that nuke would have vaporized him.
In any event, I don't see either side giving way on this.
Originally posted by AllanklesWWH one-shots Superman like Konvikt did. WWH rapes Wonder Woman like Doomsday always did. WWH uses a shockwave stomp and thunderclap to KO Flash like Konvikt did. WWH handles Zatanna by punching her in the gut making her vomit like Deathstroke did. WWH handles MM by making him see the dead millions and reducing him to a crying infant like Black Adam did. WWH handles Firestorm by throwing a rock at his head like Konvikt did.
The X men are not the JLA. None of the guys WWH faced even approach JLA heavy hitters like Superman, WW, Flash in the physical department. Then you have magicians like Zatanna and matter manipulaters and telepaths like MM, energy manipulators of the highest order like Firestorm. And you want to bring up the X-Men? It seems to me you underestimate the JLA heavy hitters. Individually some of them have what it takes to beat WWH, as a group? Why shouldn't they be able to handle Hulk?
You happy?
Originally posted by KentoSuperman would not defeat Darwin who could simply evolve into a kryptonite or red sun form. Superman would not survive Zarathos' hellfire blast. He would not survive Dr. Strange using magic on his mind. Superman would not survive Zom Strange punching holes in him.
How? Superman could survive the black bird hitting him, could survive something that would destroy Rhode Island, could survive nukes. So could Wonder Woman. That's undeniable. Everything Hulk was hit with those two could survive also. They've survived worse. Hulk's survived worse.As for the X-Men..how many aren't low durability. Colossus? Strong Guy? The person that was punted to Jersey? Logan and X-23? Who else wouldn't be koed in one shot from somebody in the 100 tons class if they wanted to actually kill them and moved faster than they could react?
Wonderwoman probably wouldn't tank Black Bolt's scream. Wonderwoman couldn't defeat Darwin. Wonderwoman probably couldn't tank a full intensity nova flame blast + lightning strike, unless she blocked it. Wonderwoman probably couldn't tank thousands of adamantium shards tearing her to pieces either... although I guess she could block em. Wonderwoman wouldn't beat Zom Strange. Wonderwoman wouldn't beat gonzo Sentry.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Actually not to nitpick, but Supes is vulnerable to magic. Zarathos would eat him for breakfast and that nuke would have vaporized him.In any event, I don't see either side giving way on this.
Actually Superman has no unique vulnerability to magic anymore. Current Superman is no less vulnerable to magic than Hulk or anybody without a unique defense to it. If Hulk, who has no nifty magic immunity took the blast, no reason why Superman - who's survived worse than what Zarathos dished out - can't shrug off the blast either.