Originally posted by Mindset
I understand perfectly.If there is a generic magically attack Superman would be hurt more than a person who had identical durability, but lacked his magical weakness.
Wrong. You've just refused to use logic. Superman is no more vulnerable to magic than Hulk or anyone with no specific immunity to magic.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
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He's survived far worse like absorbing a blast capable of destroying the galaxy. Simple as that. Zarathos' blast wouldn't have taken out Superman. If Hulk survived the blast, logically there's no reason Superman wouldn't. And as far as I'm concerned you guys don't even get Superman's relationship to magic. His vulnerability has never been specific to him, not in his more modern iterations.
Originally posted by AllanklesBased on?
He's survived far worse. Simple as that. Zarathos' blast wouldn't have taken out current Superman.
You named one time where Supes resisted magical attack, it's been established he can resist as his vulnerability has been lessened.
It has never been shown that his weaknees to magic is completely gone.
Anyway this is off topic.
Originally posted by Mindset
Based on?You named one time where Supes resisted magical attack, it's been established he can resist as his vulnerability has been lessened.
It has never been shown that his weaknees to magic is completely gone.
Again he has no specific weakness to magic. Any weakness to magic he's had has been mostly attributed to his lack of knowledge concerning magic. It's been stated in the Superman comics and even in the Trinity series. He believes in science and gives little interest to magic, that's why he had Zatanna help him understand it a little better, it had nothing to do with some specific weakness, which he hasn't shown in god knows how long.
Writers don't consider it a weakness specific to him, magic is just supposed to bypass the laws of nature nothing more nothing less. And as such it's an effective way to attack someone with no specific defense for it like Hulk or Superman. He still tanks magic when he has to.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33Which is exactly why a lot of people agree that stomping on the JLA doesn't make Konvikt god amongst comic characters. He did it, it was a pretty nice feat, still doesn't put him beyond World War Hulk stomping on him.
I find it humorous that people think that because Konvikt dismantled the JLA it was bad writing or CIS. I seem to remember on more than 1 occasion a brick sweeping aside the entire JLA. DoS Doomsday, Classic Grundy, Shaggy Man.It's not impossible or unheard of.
Originally posted by AllanklesInfinite Crisis, For Tomorrow, Superman/Batman's issue dealing with magic kryptonite, Camelot Falls, Lightning Strikes Twice, Sacrifice... All stories within the past few years that his weakness to magic still appears. That's just off the top of my head. Zatanna only tutored him into recognizing and resisting magical attempts to subvert his will. Phantom Stranger only gave him a temporary one-time protection during his fight with Arion.
Again he has no specific weakness to magic. Any weakness to magic he's had has been mostly attributed to his lack of knowledge concerning magic. It's been stated in the Superman comics and even in the Trinity series. He believes in science and gives little interest to magic, that's why he had Zatanna help him understand it a little better, it had nothing to do with some specific weakness, which he hasn't shown in god knows how long.Writers don't consider it a weakness specific to him, magic is just supposed to bypass the laws of nature nothing more nothing less. And as such it's an effective way to attack someone with no specific defense for it like Hulk or Superman. He still tanks magic when he has to.
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33How so? We didn't see what happened to Black Bolt. At this point, it's still the most powerful scream he's ever unleashed in terms of sheer collateral damage. Xavier tried to use telepathy on him right away. The New X-Men were smart about using Elixir to shut off his healing factor as they stood no chance without that tactic. The Astonishing X-Men team pulled out all the stops for him which included full optic blasts and Kitty phasing him into the ground like she did to Thor back in the day. The rest of the X-Family did their best. Siryn was using her screams to keep him off-balance, Thunderbird was using his vibranium knives, Strong Guy was using his powers. They did everything they possibly could. Juggernaut was going toe-to-toe with him and got BFR'ed for his trouble.
Sure it does because the characters that fought WWH fought like idiots as well.
Gamma Corps did everything they could do, using a poison extracted from his DNA to again counteract his healing factor and going straight for the neck. Still didn't put him down for the count as he eventually made them see how hypocritical their motivations were.
Ironman donned a Hulkbuster outfit and tried to use spintech to permanently neutralize his powers and kill WWH, but he was sabotaged. The Avengers were pretty much one-shotted by WWH, but what else were they supposed to do? Most of them were bricks anyway. Ghost Rider was dropping buildings on him and Zarathos ended up getting released and spewing hellfire all over the place before he realized that WWH was innocent. The Fantastic Four pulled out all the stops with a full intensity nova blast that left Johny completely spent. Storm, Black Panther, Thing and Invisible Woman held him off long enough for Reed to finish his Sentry aura-machine. Reed's typical "I-built-this-just-to-end-this-story" device didn't work. Without it, what was Reed going to do personally? Yes, Reed can embarass Namor in physical combat, but WWH is a whole different matter.
SHIELD's agent, Scorpion, injected him with yet another specifically designed Hulk poison, but it wasn't nearly as effective as Gamma Corps'. I suppose bombarding him with adamantium shards isn't all that creative, but what else is the US Army supposed to do?
Dr. Strange tried to use magic on him twice and failed. Then his Zom form proved to be too much for him to control, not altogether unbelievable, considering Zom was a multiversal threat. That power still got pummeled out of him by WWH.
Sentry was pretty much the only one who fought stupidly by using his face to block WWH's punches. But nobody ever admired Bob for his H2H fighting skills anyway. At least he still lit himself up with his unleashed power for the finale instead of running away scared about the Void. I still hear a lot of people complain that Stark should have just used the satellite lasers from the beginning. But gimme a break, WWH and his Warbound disabled the satellites in the very beginning and it wasn't until Sentry destroyed that ship did Stark regain access to them.
I don't recall any of the above folks forgetting they have superspeed to outrun shockwave vibrations and sonic booms. Or simply losing their concentration and powers and getting spanked. Or turning away from combat and geting clonked in the head by a flying rock. Or flying face-first into a fist and knocking themselves out. Please.
WWH 8/10.
Originally posted by Aster PhoenixJust to clarify, Superman never breathed in hellfire. It was magical mist. And it still managed to transmute him into his inner farmboy:
It wasn't that much Hellfire.Have him breathe that in.
Actual hellfire burns those who are immune to fire, even Human Torch:
Personally, I thought it was a bit PIS-y for WWH to stand there and take Zarathos' hellfire.
Originally posted by BadabingMay I suggest that you reopen WWH vs Superman thread then? To have some place to discuss such topics?
This thread will be closed if it keeps going off topic.
