WWH vs. Konvikt

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Originally posted by iceman24567
No i read all of it and they tried everything your right but i still think Superman would threw them like Hulk did the military was fodder and Superman doesn't need to be a team wreck like Hulk on Kmc with is powerset and showings of his abilities fighting to his fullest he would wreck the heroes that Hulk did. Superman also punk the core members of Crime Syndicate of America which is a pretty powerful team but i have a class so good day to you.
Again,Hulk has done this in a comic,while Superman hasnt. Supes has fought a weaker brick named Konvikt,with the help of others. He couldnt beat Konvikt on his own. 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman wouldn't shrug off Xavier like he was a noob. Superman wouldn't even come close to stalemating Juggernaut. And now... since Konvikt one-shotted Superman, that puts him in a league above WWH? Haha. Anyway, good job turning this into a Superman vs WWH thread guys. B1tch-slapping Superman with one hit doesn't make Konvikt, God. Others have done it before. And if half of you guys could step back and see how his fight with the JLA actually unfolded, Konvikt, was actually quite underwhelming. Quite a number of you won't bother to admit thusly, since doing so would, in effect, force you to conclude that WWH has a more than legitimate chance of beating Superman as Konvikt did once. You'd rather hump a cactus, than admit that. But that kind of tunnel vision doesn't change the result and is off-topic anyway:

WWH 8/10.

This is joked about on herochat. Anyone who beats up Superman is automatically more than any other marvel brick. Its 😂 . WW Hulk beats the stuffing out of Konvikt.

Originally posted by Avlon
And Ghostrider who left...

Sentry who decided to take hits for no particular reason...

Juggernaut who inexplicably couldn't come back from being tricked into running past WWH...lol

None of these fights were conclusive.

The Sentry fight was pretty conclusive...It's not like Sentry just let Hulk hit him without hitting back.

He didn't want to fight Juggernaut so it's not like Hulk is going to sit there and wait for his return since he got to Xavier about right after he got rid of Juggernaut.

Those were still two legit wins. One by bfr and one by beating the other back to his senses. As for Ghost Rider..it's one of the only parts I didn't see.

Konvict beat a JLA where some weren't using their powers to the fullest it looks like to me. Hulk could beat them if they decided to forget most of their powers. So I'm really not impressed.

Originally posted by Kento
The Sentry fight was pretty conclusive...It's not like Sentry just let Hulk hit him without hitting back.

He didn't want to fight Juggernaut so it's not like Hulk is going to sit there and wait for his return since he got to Xavier about right after he got rid of Juggernaut.

Those were still two legit wins. One by bfr and one by beating the other back to his senses. As for Ghost Rider..it's one of the only parts I didn't see.

Konvict beat a JLA where some weren't using their powers to the fullest it looks like to me. Hulk could beat them if they decided to forget most of their powers. So I'm really not impressed.

QFT.

This has been off topic long enough. Not to mention all the reports from this thread.

Here's the Konvikt appearance. The only scans missing are where the JLA are saving people and Batman's doing his thing on the star ship.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/DC%20Scans/Untitled-Scanned-06-21.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/DC%20Scans/Untitled-Scanned-07-19.jpg

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A lot of people have been highlighting some things while ignoring other things. Superman let Konvikt hit him. The entire time the JLA was worried about saving people and containing Konvikt or removing him from the population. Similar to Hulk, Konvikt was getting stronger but his skin/fur turned to armor. That little creature was shooting energy. WW was at the least stalemating Konvikt at the end and Supes says before that he was not on the defensive, has his second wind, taken Konvikt's full measure and has momentum on his side. That's when Bat's calls Supes.

You all can take what you want from the scans and dialogue. But there has been too much ignorance concerning the context of this battle and what was going on. I don't care who would "really" win.

It gets taxing sifting through all the reports and PMs because people ignore what actually happens on panel and run with what they "think" happens or "should" happen. This has been occurring too much lately. I realize that some things are open to interpretation but dialogue and art don't lie.

Just for a reference, here are some WWH scans.

WWH/Juggy
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Marvel/Marvel%20Scans/Untitled-Scanned-16-7.jpg

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http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Marvel/Marvel%20Scans/Untitled-Scanned-21-4.jpg

WWH/Sentry
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Marvel/Untitled-Scanned-08.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Marvel/Untitled-Scanned-09.jpg

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World Breaker WWH
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Marvel/Untitled-Scanned-34.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Marvel/Untitled-Scanned-35.jpg

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http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/Marvel/Untitled-Scanned-37.jpg

Hulk/X Men - I didn't have this scanned for some reason. 😮

Originally posted by Priest
Hulk vs the Xmen
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0003-04.jpg

Darwin states there is no end to the Hulk's gamma radiation.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0005.jpg

The Hulk is immune to Telepathy/mind control, Emma states that Xavier and her self failed to control Big Green
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0006.jpg

Hulk causally kicking the Xmen's asses with only his legs lol, he even jokes about it.(go be invulnerable in Jersey lol)
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0007.jpg

more ass kicking
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0009.jpg

Guido tries to absorb the Hulk's Kinetic energy and fails because its too much for him to handle. Strong Guy is obviously no match for the Hulk.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0011.jpg
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the Xmen gets desperate, they try to fly the Black Bird into the Hulk as a last attempt to stop him..nice try night crawler.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0013.jpg
of cource the Hulk is not affected by it, and casually throws the wreckage at the Xmen
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0014.jpg

The Xmen are completely out of ideas, oh and Wolverine gets completely owned again...good thing Juggernaut saves Xavier's ass.
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0016.jpg
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/WWH_Xmen_3_DCP_0019.jpg

A lot of people call PIS regarding WWH. I don't see how that's possible. The entire run was showing Hulk more focused, stronger and basically more dangerous. His power was consistent during the entire arc.

Supes owning Ultraman and Superwoman. Note that both are herald level characters.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/DC/DC%20Scans/Untitled-Scanned-01-6.jpg

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This will be open until it's a problem again. It's a good thread. Please try to keep bias out of the discussion. Check the scans and keep things in context. Thanks.

from bada's scans, konvict didn't look that impressive...nothing more than your typical brick

I'd say WWH wins

Originally posted by Starscream M
from bada's scans, konvict didn't look that impressive...nothing more than your typical brick

I'd say WWH wins

Agreed.

Originally posted by Badabing
This will be open until it's a problem again. It's a good thread. Please try to keep bias out of the discussion. Check the scans and keep things in context. Thanks.

Great scans...

Konvikt knocks out superman

Konvikt knocks out Hawkgirl & Vixen with there heads attach. I was looking forward for splatter heads, this either proves Superman is weak and durable as Vixen or Konvikt isn't that strong and pulled off lucky shot on superman!

Consistence logic doesn't apply lolz 😆
WWH wins

Thanks Bada!

After looking at the Konvikt scans, its a bit hard to call it. He seems to be able to adapt and get stronger. How much stronger could he have gotten is the question we cant answer. Lantern, Flash and Firestorm shouldnt have even been there if the writer was going to shit on them like that. Same goes for some who fought WWH. I guess thats why some of the more powerful X-men werent in the battle.

5/5.

Originally posted by Kento
The Sentry fight was pretty conclusive...It's not like Sentry just let Hulk hit him without hitting back.

Sentry was the less focused of the two. Especially letting Hulk hit him. It's like Sentry wanted to be stopped. Even when they ran out of power, Bob thanked him.

Originally posted by Kento
He didn't want to fight Juggernaut so it's not like Hulk is going to sit there and wait for his return since he got to Xavier about right after he got rid of Juggernaut.

Juggy ran into the water... seriously.. Hulk was on the losing end of that battle and that was just plain bad...

Originally posted by Kento
Those were still two legit wins. One by bfr and one by beating the other back to his senses. As for Ghost Rider..it's one of the only parts I didn't see.

One involved him reverting to human form and winning as a human vs an unfocused opponent, and the other was a silly bfr.

He didn't beat them in any sort of straight up conclusive way. Ghost Rider simply left cause he felt Hulk was innocent, and against Dr. Strange, he needed a distraction.

While Hulk got to progress, they weren't cut and dry victories where you can happily debate that Hulk is superior to his opponents.

The only cut and dry victories he had were against the weaker opponents such as the xmen and Iron man.

There really wasn't anything there that I couldn't see Konvikt (by his showing) not being able to do. Konvikts durability seemed a lot better than Hulks and he didn't run out of power.

Originally posted by Kento
Konvict beat a JLA where some weren't using their powers to the fullest it looks like to me. Hulk could beat them if they decided to forget most of their powers. So I'm really not impressed.

I agree with you on this one. Personally, I like WWH far better than Konvikt. Konvikt just had a superior showing against better opponents. Both WWH and Konvikt could have been stopped with better teamwork from all angles, but what can we say other than it's comics.

Originally posted by Avlon
Sentry was the less focused of the two. Especially letting Hulk hit him. It's like Sentry wanted to be stopped.

I agree with you on this one. Personally, I like WWH far better than Konvikt. Konvikt just had a superior showing against better opponents.

He thanked him because it finnaly gave him a chance to cut loose and not be afraid to use his own power.

And the JLA were not better opponents then the Marvel Earth. That is just your opinion. And Konvikt had a worse showing as he was actually taken down, Where as WWHulk basically allowed the fight to end.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
He thanked him because it finnaly gave him a chance to cut loose and not be afraid to use his own power.

Yes..and he apparently wanted to be stopped. Sentry was hardly a beacon of sanity and focus there. For gods sake..his power was being pushed around with halberds...

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
And the JLA were not better opponents then the Marvel Earth. That is just your opinion. And Konvikt had a worse showing as he was actually taken down, Where as WWHulk basically allowed the fight to end.

Did you not see the scans? Sentry and Hulk both reverted to human form. Anyone could have killed Banner at that point.

Hulk did not fight Marvel Earth..and the more powerful opponents (which none compared to Superman) he fought individually and didn't even get straight up wins against and was even in danger of losing.

And yes, that is my opinion, just as you have yours. Duh.

I can't believe some of Aster Phoenix's arguments. WW knocked the wind out of him once, while he was holding his breath, so WWH wins? Directly after Superman had been knocked out, he literally tanks a punch by WW to the upper chest without even flinching.

Blackbolt was a skrull, and Konvikt has a similar feat on his record by tanking Black Canary's scream. Juggernaut stalemated Hulk. He was losing (badly) to Zom before Strange pulled back, and he stalemated Sentry as well (they both burned themselves out, as evidence of both of them reverting to human form). Those are the only top-tier characters he came close to defeating.

Konvikt made putting down GL, Flash, and Superman look easy - and was dominating his fight with Wonder Woman. All of whom are top tier. Furthermore, the list of people AP posted of people whom WWH defeated, including laughable items like the Fantastic Four and the New Avengers, were not taken on all at once. So don't act as if he magically beat them all at the same time.

And for anyone doubting that Konvikt did indeed knock Superman unconscious - he's down with his eyes closed flat on his back (scans have been shown already), and it takes until the next issue for him to wake.

Moreover, someone posted a picture of WWH surviving the firestorm that engulfed part of New York City due to Sentry's output, and talked about WWH surviving a nuclear blast by Zaratoros (sp?). So what? Konvikt was effortlessly taking small planet destroying punches by Superman - backed up by the fact that Superman himself states this. I'd say he has a pretty good idea of and control over his own strength, considering he needs to be precise enough mingle with humans as Clark Kent one moment while owning superpowered beings like Ultraman and Superwoman the next.

Konvikt was knocked out with a gas that was specifically designed for his particular genes. Essentially the same as the laser Hulk was struck with. Moreover, when John tried to scan his power with his ring, it came back as off the charts. Similar, at least, to Reed Richard's assessment of Hulk's strength. Except GLs are used to dealing with cosmic-level entities constantly and are themselves fueled by a nigh-limitless source of power.

Originally posted by Avlon
Yes..and he apparently wanted to be stopped.

No he didn't want to be stopped he wanted to finnaly be able to cut completely loose against someone.

Sentry and Hulk both reverted to human form. Anyone could have killed Banner at that point.

Hulk only reverted because he got most of his aggression out fighting Sentry.

Hulk did not fight Marvel Earth..and the more powerful opponents (which none compared to Superman)

He fought most of Marvel Earth. And some of them absolutely compared to Superman.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
He fought most of Marvel Earth. And some of them absolutely compared to Superman.

❌ You may want to edit that.

Blackbolt was a skrull, and Konvikt has a similar feat on his record by tanking Black Canary's scream.

Prove he was a skrull, and your comparing Black Canary's scream to Black Bolts?

he's down with his eyes closed flat on his back (scans have been shown already), and it takes until the next issue for him to wake.

And the time between that was a few seconds at best.

Moreover, someone posted a picture of WWH surviving the firestorm that engulfed part of New York City due to Sentry's output, and talked about WWH surviving a nuclear blast by Zaratoros (sp?). /B]

It was the hellfire equivalent of a small nuke.

Originally posted by jrodslam
❌ You may want to edit that.

Your right,

He fought most of Marvel Earth. And some of them absolutely and without a doubt compared to Superman.

Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
And some of them absolutely and without a doubt compared to Superman.

Yea youre right. They did have flight.😬

Originally posted by jrodslam
Yea youre right. They did have flight.😬

And a whole lot more. Thanks for noticing.