Originally posted by Badabing
I'm not sure Black Bolt being a possible Skrull matters. His attack on the Moon still caused destruction the size of Rhode Island and WWH still not only survived but slapped BB around.Which other characters are considered Superman level besides Sentry?
I didn't exactly say level. But some of them like Ares, Juggs, Hercules and the other Hulk level beings he fought can punch just as hard.
As far as Supes heat vision? He survived a small hellfire nuke. I think that goes to his durability in that area.
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
I didn't exactly say level. But some of them like Ares, Juggs, Hercules and the other Hulk level beings he fought can punch just as hard.As far as Supes heat vision? He survived a small hellfire nuke. I think that goes to his durability in that area.
😂 Juggs is the only one who might be able to hit as hard as Superman, the rest are just for laughs.
Superman's heat vision is hotter than the sun and has the power to drill through a white dwarf star, so take your hellfire nuke elsewhere. 🙄
Originally posted by Aster Phoenix
Your unproven opinion.Prove it.
Originally posted by Galan007
Superman casually holding a 100 ton White Dwarf Star in his hands:[b]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Supes uses heat-vision to drill to the center of the Earth, and rapidly cools/heats the star in order to create temporary gravity on Earth:
Ahem. thankyou
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ahem. thankyou
So the power to drill a star vs the power of exploding suns?
And theres no proof that Supes was going all out against Konvikt because he certainly did not use that kind of power against him.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestDefinitively beat? Perhaps not. Fought? Darwin, Juggernaut, Zarathos, Zom Strange, Sentry. And let's not be immature about the gamma dampening lasers on the sattelites. Superman's been humiliated by red sun lamps and he was fighting that, unlike WWH.
WWH beat no top tiers, and certainly no one Superman level.Superman not only would easily replicate Hulk's feats, he wouldn't have been put down by a satellite.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestHellfire is magic... 😕
😂 Juggs is the only one who might be able to hit as hard as Superman, the rest are just for laughs.Superman's heat vision is hotter than the sun and has the power to drill through a white dwarf star, so take your hellfire nuke elsewhere. 🙄
Originally posted by AllanklesI'd say they are destructive in different ways. Since hellfire is supposed to sear your soul as well. But that's not why I'm pointing it out. If Superman were to get his own heat vision thrown at him, either it'd hurt a lot, or he'd start absorbing it since it's just refocused solar energy, i.e. Amazo. But you throw a blast of hellfire at him like Zarathos', and he's toast. Literally.
And? Superman's HV is more destructive.
And there in lies the problem. Konvikt took some punishment, but it didn't seem like the JLA was giving it there all. And the fight ended so quickly that the stamina factor could not be taken into account.
What I mean by that is that both WWHulk and Konvikt took heavy hits from some pretty powerful people. But due to the fact that they used the plot device off switch on Konvikt, we have no idea whether or not he could have taken it for as long as WWHulk did.
Originally posted by Aster PhoenixMajority of people either choose to see WWH as superior, equal or close to equal to Juggernaut. But a fair share of people are not willing to see WWH as even being close to equal to Juggernaut despite what happens on-panel or have made their minds up in advance because of Juggs' established respect/hype (whatever you want to call it). Hence, the math.
Still WWHulk FTW. What I find interesting is that people seem to think Juggernaut>>Konvikt. Yet WWHulk>Juggernaut. So how does that math not work that WWHulk>Konvikt?
WWH 8/10.
Originally posted by BadabingJust to clarify my own opinion. I don't think the JLA completely jobbed. Konvikt was strong, durable, adaptive, faster than he appeared and he had that lil midget helping him with the first BFR attempt too. But the JLA did make me cringe as I think most DC fans did. Certainly, they did fight stupider than Marvel Earth did against WWH. That much, I don't think anyone can deny.
I have never been totally convinced about Juggy's hype. It's hard to gauge Konvikt from on appearance. WWH has the feats imo. The issues of Trinity state that the JLA was far more concerned about saving people. still think Konvikt had a great showing.
But it's not PIS. It's just how it was. I don't even think it really rises to the level of IDLI, IDH. I certainly don't argue that. Flash focusing on pummeling him at high speeds and getting thrown with a shockwave stomp or getting hit by a thunderclap is pretty much par for Wally in comics. But Konvikt certainly took advantage of a few circumstances/mistakes (whatever you want to call them) to do what he did. "Konvikt > JLA > WWH" is about as sweeping a generalization as "WWH > Marvel Earth > Konvikt" does and makes just as much sense.
I wasn't posting to or debating with anyone. Just kind of reading the comments and posting my opinion because I like the thread. It's tough to mod and debate at the time.
I'd like to see a few more Konvikt appearances myself. Though DC tends to water down characters and job them.
Pretty much am going with WWH on total feats and consistent writing. I do think Konvikt has better durability based on his fur turning to armor. May be a moot point since it would be a slug fest though.
Originally posted by TricksterPriestJuggs,BBolt,Strange/Zom,Sentry. He also mauled entire teams.
WWH beat no top tiers, and certainly no one Superman level.Superman not only would easily replicate Hulk's feats, he wouldn't have been put down by a satellite.
They wouldnt need a satellite only k-nite.