Originally posted by Quanchi
Juggs,BBolt,Strange/Zom,Sentry. He also mauled entire teams.
Juggernaut he stalemated, Blackbolt was a skrull and not as powerful as the original, Zom/Strange was literally owning the Hulk until he began to lose control and decided to hold back, and Hulk stalemated the Sentry. Both of them burnt themselves out and reverted to human form. That's a stalemated. Those are the only top tiers WWH fought, and he didn't conclusively beat any of them.
You want to say he wrecked teams, fine. But he didn't take on Marvel Earth at once (as Aster Phoenix wants to imply), and the Fantastic Four, New Avengers, and the like hardly compare to the JLA.
Konvikt put down GL, Flash, and Superman easily. All definitely top tiers. And was essentially having his way with Wonder Woman, even when Superman rejoined the fight and fought Konvikt together.
This is the same Superman, who in the same arc, was able to take on and beat Ultraman, Superwoman, and Owlman at the same time. Yet Konvikt knocked him out with one shot.
Moreover, not even flinching from punches that can shatter small planets trumps surviving a 'small nuke' (Hellfire attack) or Sentry's power output which ended up destroying a small portion of NYC as a durability feat.
Originally posted by The Pict
In Planet Hulk, before the catastrophe that drove him back to Earth, when he was King and in knew that he had a child on the way he wasn't angry he was happy but he was still in Hulk form. Banner doesn't need to be constantly angry to be the Hulk.
But his powerlevel is controlled by his anger.
And to the other guys stay on topic we don't want to lose this thread.
Originally posted by EnyalusHe beat Darwin. He stomped on Ghost Rider and took one of Zarathos' best shots. Juggernaut he stalemated, after stomping on pretty much every X-Man. Blackbolt may or may not have been a Skrull. Either way, the Black Bolt Skrull was still quite powerful. Zom Strange was blowing holes in WWH, which didn't stop him from healing up, saving innocents, talking him down and eventually pummeling the power out of Zom Strange. WWH definitively beat Sentry. It was a close fight to the very end, but that's still a victory.
Juggernaut he stalemated, Blackbolt was a skrull and not as powerful as the original, Zom/Strange was literally owning the Hulk until he began to lose control and decided to hold back, and Hulk stalemated the Sentry. Both of them burnt themselves out and reverted to human form. That's a stalemated. Those are the only top tiers WWH fought, and he didn't conclusively beat any of them.You want to say he wrecked teams, fine. But he didn't take on Marvel Earth at once (as Aster Phoenix wants to imply), and the Fantastic Four, New Avengers, and the like hardly compare to the JLA.
Konvikt put down GL, Flash, and Superman easily. All definitely top tiers. And was essentially having his way with Wonder Woman, even when Superman rejoined the fight and fought Konvikt together.
This is the same Superman, who in the same arc, was able to take on and beat Ultraman, Superwoman, and Owlman at the same time. Yet Konvikt knocked him out with one shot.
Moreover, not even flinching from punches that can shatter small planets trumps surviving a 'small nuke' (Hellfire attack) or Sentry's power output which ended up destroying a small portion of NYC as a durability feat.
Green Lantern had problems with his powers, which is why he was beat. Flash got beat by a thunderclap, good ole Wally. Superman attacked Konvikt's fist with his face. Wonderwoman was holding her own against him. Superman didn't amalgamate Batman or Wonderwoman's consciousness and fighting skills until after the Konvikt fight. In my opinion, some of the offered interpretations are a bit skewed and selective.
Originally posted by EnyalusProof he was a Skrull?
J Blackbolt was a skrull and not as powerful as the original,You want to say he wrecked teams, fine. But he didn't take on Marvel Earth at once (as Aster Phoenix wants to imply), and the Fantastic Four, New Avengers, and the like hardly compare to the JLA.
Konvikt put down GL, Flash.
Yet Konvikt knocked him out with one shot.
It does when the JLA fought like idiots. Not to mention it's not like they posed any threat. He one-shot most of them.
He put down a GL and Flash in ways that shouldn't of happened.
Superman also let himself be hit and blocked another hit by him later on. After the first hit he couldn't really do anything to Superman.
Originally posted by iceman24567Bah Scooby Doo sucks. But yea..Reading Rainbow song > Mail song.
I could name a few things Scooby Doo is one of them and The Reading Rainbow song >>> The mail song herbeyes
Originally posted by Kento
It does when the JLA fought like idiots. Not to mention it's not like they posed any threat. He one-shot most of them.He put down a GL and Flash in ways that shouldn't of happened.
So because you don't like the way they were beat it doesn't count? Guess what, Sentry also fought WWH like an idiot. He didn't need to get close to him, yet chose to. That shouldn't count either then, I suppose. The end result is still canon.
Originally posted by Kento
Superman also let himself be hit and blocked another hit by him later on. After the first hit he couldn't really do anything to Superman.
And you have proof of this? Does Superman regularly let himself be punched in the face to test the strength of an opponent? I didn't think so. You can clearly see in the panel, Konvikt's arm is blurred, indicating superspeed. Superman did not simply 'let' Konvikt punch him.
OneDumbG0: Is Ghost Rider a top tier to you? I'm asking sincerely. In my opinion he isn't, but...
Also,
In my opinion, some of the offered interpretations are a bit skewed and selective.
Of course. But the majority of WWH supporters are doing the exact same thing. Saying such things as "Hulk stomped Juggs, Konvikt couldn't do that" is ridiculous. Much more so than anything I've said.
Plus, as I've said before - Banner beat Bob. They both burned themselves out of their "super" forms, so to speak. Technicalities.
Originally posted by EnyalusBeating a distracted GL, and beating Flash with a thunderclap doesn't make him look impressive. Sentry may have brawled but he didn't hold back his strength.So because you don't like the way they were beat it doesn't count? Guess what, Sentry also fought WWH like an idiot. He didn't need to get close to him, yet chose to. That shouldn't count either then, I suppose. The end result is still canon.
And you have proof of this? Does Superman regularly let himself be punched in the face to test the strength of an opponent? I didn't think so. You can clearly see in the panel, Konvikt's arm is blurred, indicating superspeed. Superman did not simply 'let' Konvikt punch him.
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Actually Superman usually does let people hit him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Why isnt it comparable?I still have yet to see an actual reason. Which powerful characters has it taken out? Ive seen him out to kill before,and he didnt take WW out with heatvision the way you describe.
It obviously isn't comparable because Superman's HV hasn't been shown to have an upper limit. It's hotter than a star it was even suggested that his HV is hotter than a supernova. Again no upper limit has been demonstrated. Secondly Superman doesn't kill his opponents, so he doesn't use his full HV, like in the Thor fight, he wanted to KO Thor not kill him.
He's also used his HV to lobotomize his opponents in extreme circumstances, it didn't kill just incapacitated them or rendered their abilities ineffective. With his TV and MV he can make his HV so precise that it is no more than a pico, atto, femto metre or less in diametre i.e. he'd piece Rulk's skin and flesh if he so wished it.
Further WW was never going to be killed off in that story arch, these are comics afterall, the outcomes of certain scenarios are laid out by the writer's plot. WW also has a magical shield through her bracelets so she's better equipped than Rulk to take Superman's HV.
Lastly, you argue like you don't understand the parameters of story plots and how PIS plays a part in many comic book fights. Superman disintergrate an army of DD clones in one comic with his HV. Of course DD clones are expendable to DC unlike WW. Please show an understanding of PIS.
Originally posted by AvlonHuh? Sentry raped Terrax who is a herald and burned himself out against WW Hulk. I dont even know where you are getting your information.
That actually counts against your argument..if he wasn't pissed till the end...it means he burnt himself out even faster.The footstep thing is impressive till you get to the low herald category.. Let's not forget Superman has stopped an Earthquake with a whistle.
And Hulk burnt out hitting sentry...a guy who Iron man has made bleed with a punch.
Multiple planet shattering blows vs at best a step that didnt go past the eastern seaboard..hmm
I'm not sure why you keep trying to compare WWH against Supes when we both know there is no comparison. Kryptonians in general are just >>>>>>>WWH.
Ok,and? Supes was also laid out by Konvikt and has never mauled teams and went on a warpath on earth like WW Hulk did throughout this entire story.
Hulk wasnt angry and was calm. When he lost it again he got even more powerful. Its a good thing WW Hulk wasnt pissed off during his fight with Sentry.
When has Supes destroyed a planet on panel?
No,they arent. Hulk himself stomped Gladiator who is basically a kryptonian.
Originally posted by EnyalusNo,he beat Juggs by bfr which is a win on this board. Where is proof that BB was a skrull when he met WW Hulk? Also that doesnt change the power of the whisper. It still leveld the size of RIlsand. So,whether is was a skrull or not it doesnt make it any less impressive. Zom/Strange assaulted the Hulk,but it didnt do any real damage. Hulk saved the innocents and then destroyed Zom in no time. WW Hulk stalemated Sentry but wasnt even angry at the time,and the moment he got superpissed he was even more powerful than he ever had been before.
Juggernaut he stalemated, Blackbolt was a skrull and not as powerful as the original, Zom/Strange was literally owning the Hulk until he began to lose control and decided to hold back, and Hulk stalemated the Sentry. Both of them burnt themselves out and reverted to human form. That's a stalemated. Those are the only top tiers WWH fought, and he didn't conclusively beat any of them.You want to say he wrecked teams, fine. But he didn't take on Marvel Earth at once (as Aster Phoenix wants to imply), and the Fantastic Four, New Avengers, and the like hardly compare to the JLA.
Konvikt put down GL, Flash, and Superman easily. All definitely top tiers. And was essentially having his way with Wonder Woman, even when Superman rejoined the fight and fought Konvikt together.
This is the same Superman, who in the same arc, was able to take on and beat Ultraman, Superwoman, and Owlman at the same time. Yet Konvikt knocked him out with one shot.
Moreover, not even flinching from punches that can shatter small planets trumps surviving a 'small nuke' (Hellfire attack) or Sentry's power output which ended up destroying a small portion of NYC as a durability feat.
Did you see how he took out most of these characters?
A rock took out Firestorm. A rock. Claps took out the flash,which Hulk could also replicate. Jla didnt look impressive at all. WW Hulk in that same situation would have beaten the jla.
Konvikt can floor Konvikt,but not WW Hulk. Thats the diffference.
When has Supes ever destroyed a planet on panel?
Sentry raped a planet destroyer by the way. raped him.
Originally posted by AllanklesSo,he hasnt taken anyone out with heatvision. he sure wanted to kill WW and it even failed to kill her in 219. 😬 So,even when he is out for the kill,he hasnt even beaten anyone really powerful with it,let alone killed someone comparable to the WW Hulk.
It obviously isn't comparable because Superman's HV hasn't been shown to have an upper limit. It's hotter than a star it was even suggested that his HV is hotter than a supernova. Again no upper limit has been demonstrated. Secondly Superman doesn't kill his opponents, so he doesn't use his full HV, like in the Thor fight, he wanted to KO Thor not kill him.He's also used his HV to lobotomize his opponents in extreme circumstances, it didn't kill just incapacitated them or rendered their abilities ineffective. With his TV and MV he can make his HV so precise that it is no more than a pico, atto, femto metre or less in diametre i.e. he'd piece Rulk's skin and flesh if he so wished it.
Further WW was never going to be killed off in that story arch, these are comics afterall, the outcomes of certain scenarios are laid out by the writer's plot. WW also has a magical shield through her bracelets so she's better equipped than Rulk to take Superman's HV.
Lastly, you argue like you don't understand the parameters of story plots and how PIS plays a part in many comic book fights. Superman disintergrate an army of DD clones in one comic with his HV. Of course DD clones are expendable to DC unlike WW. Please show an understanding of PIS.
WW didnt block the heatvision. Sure,she is better equipped to deflect it,but she didnt. 😬 He hurt her more with his fists.
Originally posted by Quanchi
When has Supes ever destroyed a planet on panel?
It doesn't effing matter when (although Avlon said he was doing it without even touching the planet). Superman states that the punches dealt to Konvikt could destroy planets. His knowledge of his powers is greater than your knowledge of his powers.
Originally posted by EnyalusYes,it does. We dont know how many punches it would take Supes to destroy a planet. Sometimes characters use hyperbole.It doesn't effing matter when (although Avlon said he was doing it without even touching the planet). Superman states that the punches dealt to Konvikt could destroy planets. His knowledge of his powers is greater than your knowledge of his powers.
Originally posted by EnyalusHe said he can destroy small planets with his punches. Hulk during the end of Planet Hulk was also stated to be able to destroy a planet.It doesn't effing matter when (although Avlon said he was doing it without even touching the planet). Superman states that the punches dealt to Konvikt could destroy planets. His knowledge of his powers is greater than your knowledge of his powers.
And I'd also like to know when Superman destroyed the planet without touching it?
Konvict taking blows from Superman was about the most impressive thing he did but it's nothing Hulk couldn't do either. Two bricks brawling..I'd give it to the guy who is going to get stronger and can heal from anything instantly even if the other is more durable. Durability only does so much until the person passes your durability limit with his strength. Hulk has the durability, and the healing factor to back that up with along with getting stronger.
Originally posted by Kento
Konvict taking blows from Superman was about the most impressive thing he did but it's nothing Hulk couldn't do either. Two bricks brawling..I'd give it to the guy who is going to get stronger and can heal from anything instantly even if the other is more durable. Durability only does so much until the person passes your durability limit with his strength. Hulk has the durability, and the healing factor to back that up with along with getting stronger.
One, every single punch being thrown was capable of destroying small planets. "Hitting" implies plural, as opposed to "hit" which would be just once.
Moreover, if every writer subscribed to your logic, Hulk would never be beaten. Gladly, they don't.
Originally posted by Kento
When?
In one of his battles with Zod.
Originally posted by Kento
Speculation even though at weaker times he's fought people who can destroy planets and Sentry beat somebody who can destroy planets himself. How many times has Superman destroyed a planet?
Terrax has had trouble with the Thing. Try again.
Originally posted by Kento
Konvict was jobbed to by most of them, and he didn't take on WW and Supes at the same time for the most part. Most of it was one-on-one against one or the other.
And most characters in WWH either jobbed or had other circumstances in which Hulk was able to progress. Let's not forget that either.
Without PIS neither Konvikt NOR WWH would have gotten as far as they did.
Originally posted by Kento
Who has broken Colossus' arms before? And who has did it without any real effort?
Just LOL at this example.
Originally posted by Kento
Cain was at first...then he was stopped. Xavier wouldn't have told them to stop because the foundation was going to collapse if Cain was pushing him away.
No, Cain had the upper hand and Hulk then used his momentum against him as Juggs ran into the water.
Originally posted by Kento
Sentry was going all out because he wanted to and he knew Hulk could take it. Hulk was trying to get him back to his senses while not even being angry. Hulk usually reverts back to Banner when he's calm which he was. I doubt he's going to be calm enough to turn back to Banner while fighting somebody who isn't his friend and that he's trying to calm down himself. Hulk has fought for longer than a couple minuted against somebody who rivaled him in power without 'running' out of energy.
Hulk used up his energy just as Sentry did. They stalemated and Banner knocked out Bob.
Originally posted by EnyalusIt doesn't effing matter when (although Avlon said he was doing it without even touching the planet). Superman states that the punches dealt to Konvikt could destroy planets. His knowledge of his powers is greater than your knowledge of his powers.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpg
Can't wait to hear the "nuh uh!!!" excuses and semantics around the one. 😄
I've seen Major Force hit harder than Hulk and Sentry in that arc.
