Originally posted by AvlonWhen did Superman destroy a planet with his fists there?
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9351/08302005032341pm7oo.jpgCan't wait to hear the "nuh uh!!!" excuses and semantics around the one. 😄
I've seen Major Force hit harder than Hulk and Sentry in that arc.
It takes two to tango. The collateral damage from this battle looks epic,but it isnt a scan of Superman destroying a planet with his fists.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So,he hasnt taken anyone out with heatvision. he sure wanted to kill WW and it even failed to kill her in 219. 😬 So,even when he is out for the kill,he hasnt even beaten anyone really powerful with it,let alone killed someone comparable to the WW Hulk.WW didnt block the heatvision. Sure,she is better equipped to deflect it,but she didnt. 😬 He hurt her more with his fists.
Yeah! And did you honestly think WW was going to get killed in that story arch? Let's argue like mature people here. Get back to me when you can give that question an honest answer. You ignore PIS to suit your arguments. Superman has disintegrated an army of DD clones with his HV.
He's displayed what his full HV can do. The difference between DD clones and WW are that DC and the writers consider them expendable. Much in the same way Glads is considered more expendable than Hulk by Marvel.
We're here to argue characters, as some people have told you a billion times I'm sure. There's a million things characters could do differently, but don't because of the constraints imposed upon by the plots writers come up with.
And please if you can't answer the question posed above let's not bother continuing this debate, we've dwelt enough on this and we're talking WWH and Konvikt here. WW should give Superman quite the fight in character but if he's blood lusted and she gets caught by his full HV without protection, the outcome should be a KO at least.
Originally posted by AvlonWasn't that planet destroying for some other reason? Not their punches?
In one of his battles with Zod.Terrax has had trouble with the Thing. Try again.
And most characters in WWH either jobbed or had other circumstances in which Hulk was able to progress. Let's not forget that either.
Without PIS neither Konvikt NOR WWH would have gotten as far as they did.
Just LOL at this example.
No, Cain had the upper hand and Hulk then used his momentum against him as Juggs ran into the water.
Hulk used up his energy just as Sentry did. They stalemated and Banner knocked out Bob.
Superman's had trouble with Batman..Doesn't mean Superman can't destroy planets or should have trouble with him. Terrax still destroyed a planet on-panel.
Most? Let's see...Ghost Rider left didn't get beaten so that wouldn't really be jobbing but I don't really know all behind that fight so I can't really say. Strange yes I'll give you. Who else? She-Hulk, Iron Man, Ares, Colossus, Thing, Samson, a bunch of mutants, the other three F4 members. I mean everybody else he fought he would have beaten after a long fight while in a weaker form...He was stronger than ever so him one-shotting all the people who had given him trouble isn't them jobbing. It's to show he was actually more powerful. What would have been jobbing is a powered up Hulk having trouble with people he's beaten in weaker forms. Can't say anything about the Gamma Corps or whatever they were. Didn't get that tie-in. Though the Strange PIS was probably > than any of Konvicts..but I don't really use his fight with Strange as evidence except for regen because his win isn't worthy to use.
If it's so LOL give me a reason why. Because I still think that's kinda impressive.
Hulk did that because he knew they'd just sit there all day getting nowhere and he had other things to do than play Cain's little game. Xavier told them to stop because the foundation was going to crumble. Would it have really mattered it Cain was pushing him away that whole time?
Hulk reverted back to Banner not even tired, then reverts back to Hulk after he gets angry again. Not exactly him using up all his energy. Not to mention the whole story arc was proving Hulk is Banner and Banner is Hulk. And wasn't Hulk able to revert back to Banner during Planet Hulk because his dead queen wanted him to then revert back to Hulk? Also Hulk was finally finished with what he wanted to do, wasn't angry, and Sentry also has his calming aura thing for Hulk. Two things Konvict wouldn't have in his favor. A calm Hulk and a calming aura.
Originally posted by AllanklesBatman ripped into the gut of one of those DD clones with a battle-axe. Please. The fact that he was completely winded by using a wide heat vision blast to kill them all doesn't speak very well of it's power.
Yeah! And did you honestly think WW was going to get killed in that story arch? Let's argue like mature people here. Get back to me when you can give that question an honest answer. You ignore PIS to suit your arguments. Superman has disintegrated an army of DD clones with his HV.He's displayed what his full HV can do. The difference between DD clones and WW are that DC and the writers consider them expendable. Much in the same way Glads is considered more expendable than Hulk by Marvel.
Originally posted by KentoBoth Superman and Zod were metaphysically tied to the that world. When they injured each other, they injured the world. Same idea as when you hurt Captain Britain and England starts getting destroyed. Superman should be able to break a planet apart with punches. He's just never done so. I believe him when he says his punches could shatter small planets. However, I think some folks are jumping far ahead and assuming that each one of his punches could completely shatter a small planet. That is speculation. And without on-panel backup, it's baseless speculation.
Wasn't that planet destroying for some other reason? Not their punches?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0So that feats not really useable to say he's destroyed a planet then? And I think Superman can destroy planets also but I also think Hulk could without going SSJ. I also think both can take planet destroy punches along with Konvict. Against Hulk and Konvict I think it would just be..who fell first the more durable one or the one who maybe has a lower degree of durability but has a healing factor to help him along and the power to get a lot stronger instantly.
Both Superman and Zod were metaphysically tied to the that world. When they injured each other, they injured the world. Same idea as when you hurt Captain Britain and England starts getting destroyed. Superman should be able to break a planet apart with punches. He's just never done so. I believe him when he says his punches could shatter small planets. However, I think some folks are jumping far ahead and assuming that each one of his punches could completely shatter a small planet. That is speculation. And without on-panel backup, it's baseless speculation.
Originally posted by AllanklesKilled,nah. She didnt even get beaten by Supes,thats the point. These same DD clones were pathetic as ODG already pointed out.
Yeah! And did you honestly think WW was going to get killed in that story arch? Let's argue like mature people here. Get back to me when you can give that question an honest answer. You ignore PIS to suit your arguments. Superman has disintegrated an army of DD clones with his HV.He's displayed what his full HV can do. The difference between DD clones and WW are that DC and the writers consider them expendable. Much in the same way Glads is considered more expendable than Hulk by Marvel.
We're here to argue characters, as some people have told you a billion times I'm sure. There's a million things characters could do differently, but don't because of the constraints imposed upon by the plots writers come up with.
And please if you can't answer the question posed above let's not bother continuing this debate, we've dwelt enough on this and we're talking WWH and Konvikt here. WW should give Superman quite the fight in character but if he's blood lusted and she gets caught by his full HV without protection, the outcome should be a KO at least.
Batman took some out. 😂
Yes,I know. Glads heat vision is equal to Supes. i see no reason to see this any differently.
Nah,the comic says that isnt how this does down at all. I go by what the comics give us not my personal feelings and then I render my decision based on this.
Originally posted by KentoSounds reasonable, so long as everyone recognizes that World War Hulk started out with higher durability than Konvikt did. Wolverine could barely pierce WWH's skin and that was before he went ballistic while fighting Ironman and nearly killing the Avengers and the Fantastic Four. Konvikt was pierced by Red Arrow's arrows. His durability was pretty much less than Colossus' and even Thing's to start out with. And with WWH's affinity for laying into people from the outset and not going soft...
So that feats not really useable to say he's destroyed a planet then? And I think Superman can destroy planets also but I also think Hulk could without going SSJ. I also think both can take planet destroy punches along with Konvict. Against Hulk and Konvict I think it would just be..who fell first the more durable one or the one who maybe has a lower degree of durability but has a healing factor to help him along and the power to get a lot stronger instantly.
WWH 8/10.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Konvikt was pierced by Red Arrow's arrows... And with WWH's affinity for laying into people from the outset and not going soft...WWH 8/10.
It's not as if the arrows hurt Konvikt. He brushed them off easily enough. They didn't penetrate deep. And last I checked, Hulk doesn't have anything to 'pierce' Konvikt with, as he uses blunt instruments (like his fists).
And fists are something that Konvikt was doing just fine against.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Killed,nah. She didnt even get beaten by Supes,thats the point. These same DD clones were pathetic as ODG already pointed out.
I know but that's because they're expendable to DC. No reason why DD clones should as weak on the onset as to get penetrated by a battle axe.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,I know. Glads heat vision is equal to Supes. i see no reason to see this any differently.
Where's your evidence? Superman's HV has been stated to be hotter than a star. His HV was well capable of re-energizing a star. His HV has also been stated to be well above the energy output of a Supernova. Glads couldn't even take out regular Hulk with his full HV. Just because Glads is modeled after the Kryptonians doesn't mean he is afforded their status or comparable to them in power. You're making assumptions based on similar powerset that's just a cop out of a counter argument, provide some evidence.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah,the comic says that isnt how this does down at all. I go by what the comics give us not my personal feelings and then I render my decision based on this.
You've said this a million times. It just makes your arguments weak and without logic. Characters already have standardized power levels. Superman's speed, his durability and the power of his full HV. That doesn't change. We also know he's intelligent and can use his powers with creativity (like lobotomy), when he doesn't use his powers as efficiently as he could given all his qualities, we recognize it as PIS.
PIS has nothing to do with personal feelings and everything to do with logical deduction, logically there's no reason why Supes entertains one dimensional bricks with straight brawls when we know he can speed blitz and use his other powers.
The only reason that happens is for entertainment value, your arguments can be laughable because it's like you treat these comics like historical commentaries when they are actually primarily entertainment and as such are subject to the demands of entertaining.
A quick, short, one sided encounter isn't as entertaining as a brawl and the plot will pander to whatever the individual writer considers entertaining.
Further, we also know going into a comic whether or not a character is dying in that story arc, and if they're the only hero in the arc (given desperate circumstances) they're not even going to get ko'd for any length of time i.e. PIS comes into play. I asked you to answer a question honestly, and you ducked the question. We're done here, no?
Originally posted by AllanklesDD clones were a pathetic example imo. Again Batman took some out,so they werent that impressive if impressive at all by any stretch of the word.
I know but that's because they're expendable to DC. No reason why DD clones should as weak on the onset as to get penetrated by a battle axe.Where's your evidence? Superman's HV has been stated to be hotter than a star. His HV was well capable of re-energizing a star. His HV has also been stated to be well above the energy output of a Supernova. Glads couldn't even take out regular Hulk with his full HV. Just because Glads is modeled after the Kryptonians doesn't mean he is afforded their status or comparable to them in power. You're making assumptions based on similar powerset that's just a cop out of a counter argument, provide some evidence.
You've said this a million times. It just makes your arguments weak and without logic. Characters already have standardized power levels. Superman's speed, his durability and the power of his full HV. That doesn't change. We also know he's intelligent and can use his powers with creativity (like lobotomy), when he doesn't use his powers as efficiently as he could given all his qualities, we recognize it as PIS.
PIS has nothing to do with personal feelings and everything to do with logical deduction, logically there's no reason why Supes entertains one dimensional bricks with straight brawls when we know he can speed blitz and use his other powers.
The only reason that happens is for entertainment value, your arguments can be laughable because it's like you treat these comics like historical commentaries when they are actually primarily entertainment and as such are subject to the demands of entertaining.
A quick, short, one sided encounter isn't as entertaining as a brawl and the plot will pander to whatever the individual writer considers entertaining.
Further, we also know going into a comic whether or not a character is dying in that story arc, and if they're the only hero in the arc (given desperate circumstances) they're not even going to get ko'd for any length of time i.e. PIS comes into play. I asked you to answer a question honestly, and you ducked the question. We're done here, no?
Glads couldnt take out Hulk,while a bloodlusted Superman couldnt even take out WW,who was also holding back. So I think Glads still looks better through what you have shown me.
Lets see some scans here regarding Glads. Hotter than a star, no problem. On panel. Id like to see some Superman proof also. So,if Glads couldnt kill Hulk with heavision then neither can Superman. That was easy.
Here Glads is described as going one hundred times the speed of light. Yeah,he might be faster than Superman here.
Glads has also destroyed a planet on panel with his fists. So,you claiming Superman's superiority over Glads is simply unfounded imo.
I understand that you strongly feel that Konvikt can win this but this simply isnt the case. WW Hulk at his most powerful was just on a whole other level.
Originally posted by quanchi112WHAT?!?!?! How DARE you speak that way of Batman! Bats will WTFPWN Thanos, WWHulk, DS, Superman and anyone else! uhuh
DD clones were a pathetic example imo. Again Batman took some out,so they werent that impressive if impressive at all by any stretch of the word.
I still can't give Konvikt the nod. WWHulk has too many feats.
Originally posted by BadabingCheck out the Glads scans brah. He is pretty quick,aint he?
WHAT?!?!?! How DARE you speak that way of Batman! Bats will WTFPWN Thanos, WWHulk, DS, Superman and anyone else! uhuhI still can't give Konvikt the nod. WWHulk has too many feats.
Im glad you agree with me that WW Hulk wins here. This means I dont have to end you.
Originally posted by quanchi112Glads is powerful when written properly. Haven't seen much of him lately.
Check out the Glads scans brah. He is pretty quick,aint he?Im glad you agree with me that WW Hulk wins here. This means I dont have to end you.
Pfft, you jumped on the WWH bandwagon once I made my opinion. crackers
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I can't give a basically unknown character a win against WWH. The JLA wasn't going full on due to bystanders. WWH was busting up teams. The thing I didn't like in WWH was the adamantium bullets and shrapnel piercing his skin. He shrugged off a nova + Storm's lightning yet gets torn up by adamantium bullets and shrapnel. That = dur imo.
Originally posted by BadabingYeah no matter what though there will always be inconsistencies among characters. But,WW Hulk wins based on what we have available to us now. Just lock it bada, we figured it out. No point in any further debating this subject.
Glads is powerful when written properly. Haven't seen much of him lately.Pfft, you jumped on the WWH bandwagon once I made my opinion. crackers
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I can't give a basically unknown character a win against WWH. The JLA wasn't going full on due to bystanders. WWH was busting up teams. The thing I didn't like in WWH was the adamantium bullets and shrapnel piercing his skin. He shrugged off a nova + Storm's lightning yet gets torn up by adamantium bullets and shrapnel. That = dur imo.
We should do this more often. Let it roll on, then you and I come in,agree,and lock it.
