Ganthet vs. Galactus

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Galactus called himself weak before he imprisoned the F4, and created converters (and was said to be left near starvation). Then he fought the heroes and had to expend some energy (he was growing smaller during the battle)... and after the battle his energies were said to be so low that he would perish.
Either way, Galactus was near starvation when he was attacked by the heroes.

Does that mean that it should be relevant to a vs forum?

Galactus was near death BECAUSE of his battle with the heroes.

If a character gets into a fight, and then dies in the course of that fight, do we call foul because -- hey, he was clearly near death!

No.

Galactus was hungry, but nowhere does it mention weaker. He was starving in "The Black Celestial Saga" in the FF, but was absorbing more and more energy and would have absorbed the entire UNIVERSE had he not be stopped, thanks to the alteration that the Dreaming Celestial gave him. So hunger doesn't necessarily equal weakness, unless explicitly stated.

Moreover, with a character like Galactus - who is eternally hungry, ever searching for sustenance - it's almost impossible to find a showing in which he is fully sated. What you want to do is immediately discount any bad showings he might have as him being hungry or tired or near death, which leads to a false picture of his power level.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Mighty Galactus can call the attention of Eternity or Even The LT if he so choses.

Because of his nature as a fundamental force in the universe, not because of any inherit power levels.

Galactus' true form is a star, after all, hardly universe rending in nature.

When Odin died, it was barely a blip on the LT's radar. If that puts anything in perspective. Also for perspective, The first thing the AM did in his conquest to destroy the multiverse was imprison the Guardians as they were too dangerous to be left loose in his conquest. And even the multiverse powered Am couldn't kill the Original gaurdians. Of which, ganthet is the ONLY one left.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
why are you guys debating if galactus is more powerful than odin?
it's kinda obvious is it not?

-just for inquiring minds: micheal korvac happened upon the technology on galactus' worldship....then he was thus transformed into korvac the machine god 😐

Which is nice, of course, but I don't believe Korvac ever came up against Odin, and the power of Galactus' ship isn't necessarily indicative of his offensive power.

-a lonely galactus feeling the urge for companionship created for himself a son in his image named tyrant. long story short a weakened version of tyrant brushed aside gladiator, jack-of-hearts, ganymede, terrax, morg, silver surfer, and most pertinent to this list, beta ray bill who in his first appearance beat thor down and to prove himself to keep mjolnir, he stalemated him.

at full power, tyrant was owned by galactus, and shrunk down for it.

He wasn't owned by any means. The battle between Tyrant and Galactus was TITANIC, and destroyed galaxies. Tyrant had a very real chance to win.

And that battle remains Galactus' best showing to date, his most impressive feat and the only time that he has ever destroyed galaxies. If it weren't for that, you couldn't even argue that he was as powerful as Odin.

galactus > odin. stop B.S.ing around

Then bring me something that proves it.

Originally posted by Desaad
Then bring me something that proves it.

its very clear that odin and all his resources are A.U.'s apart from a single celestial.

Galactus on his own while starving destroyed three star systems, what has Odin destroyed when not in a fight with someone else that compares?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
galactus is comparable to an average celestial, or more powerful depending on how how much/and what he ate.

its very clear that odin and all his resources are A.U.'s apart from a single celestial.

Can you prove that?

Because that sounds like a lot of baseless speculation, if you don't mind me saying.

Originally posted by Desaad
Galactus was near death BECAUSE of his battle with the heroes.

If a character gets into a fight, and then dies in the course of that fight, do we call foul because -- hey, he was clearly near death!

No.

Galactus was hungry, but nowhere does it mention weaker. He was starving in "The Black Celestial Saga" in the FF, but was absorbing more and more energy and would have absorbed the entire UNIVERSE had he not be stopped, thanks to the alteration that the Dreaming Celestial gave him. So hunger doesn't necessarily equal weakness, unless explicitly stated.

Moreover, with a character like Galactus - who is eternally hungry, ever searching for sustenance - it's almost impossible to find a showing in which he is fully sated. What you want to do is immediately discount any bad showings he might have as him being hungry or tired or near death, which leads to a false picture of his power level.

Actually, Galactus says himself that he is weak. Torch mentioned he was weak, but somehow still managing to hold his own against Thor and Iron Man. Reed said he was drained of power before he undid everything that Terrax did. Reed said he was near starvation before he captured the F4, created his coverters, and fought the heroes.

And the Black Celestial arc is irrelevant as his hunger was increased dramatically so that nothing would satisfy him, therefore he could only increase in power.
And Galactus's hunger always equates to weakness (unless we're talking about the alternate Black Celestial Galactus) unless stated. It means he's running out of energy to sustain him.

And actually, Galactus isn't eternally hungry. He's only hungry after eating a planet when before something drastic has happened (like when the Elders drained him with the Infinity Gems). He has been full many times in his appearances, hell, he even slept after eating the Skrull world.
Unless we're talking about now, which isn't relevant to Galactus back then.

Originally posted by Mindset
Galactus on his own while starving destroyed three star systems, what has Odin destroyed when not in a fight with someone else that compares?

Originally posted by Mindset
Galactus on his own while starving destroyed three star systems, what has Odin destroyed when not in a fight with someone else that compares?

I'm not sure what difference doing something in a fight with someone - that you either beat or stalemate - would make.

Odin has created entire stars (battle with Forsung), has destroyed galaxies AGAIN in his battle with Infinity, has defeated Galaxy Destroying beings on MULTIPLE occasions (Surtur...and yes, Surtur destroyed galaxies on his own), has casually defeated Mangog at Silver Age levels, has teleported Asgard through time and space, has created devices that allowed planetary reality warping.

How many galaxy smashers -- people we've seen destroy galaxies on their own -- has Galactus defeated?

Originally posted by Desaad
Mmmm...no.

Thanos has gotten one power up -- Death powered him up when she brought him back to life.

The beginning of the THanos series makes mention of a series of life assuring wishes that he granted himself -- but NEVER definitively indicates a power up, nor does it even IMPLY a power up. If anything, it's in reference to his remote control fleet which exists again.

So no, Thanos wasn't more powerful.

And more than that, Galactus wasn't 'very hungry'. He had just fed earlier in that arc.

Not disputing that. But Thanos' blast did much more to Galactus than it did to Odin.

:rollseyes:

He at least wanted to stop him, which he proved incapable of. It's not like he enjoys a good battle, like Odin does.

Why not? Clearly Odin does. Galactus did so to Thanos as well, as you mention.

Hah.

Odin was having fun. Galactus was trying to feed, which means it was life or death.

You're right. Huge difference.

When did he contest Odin's superiority over him in power?

Then why is the best evidence so unconvincing? Why does it all hinge on their performance against a single character? Why can't you bring in any showings of Galactus that decisively put him above Odin in pure power?

When did Galactus feed earlier in the arc? I think you may be confusing another story or so.

Galactus' blast did far more damage than multiple blasts sis to Thanos. Thanos' blasts really didnt affect either character,but his words are completely different. Thanos doesnt dispute Galactus' supreior power,but does dispute Odin's. Thanos waded through a gungir blast. One blast had Thanos looking worse off than Odin's entire battle with him.

Are you seriously claiming that the Surfer coul dprolong a battle with the very guy who gave him his powers? Please think about it for a moment.

Yes,Galactus was pissed at Thanos,while Odin admitted he wanted to kill him,but lacked the power to do so. The battle was stopped before it could be concluded.

Odin was out for the kill. Its verified in the comic. If you feel different you dont have a leg to stand on,and its an opinion that ignores the dialogue of the comic itself.

Right here.

So,many to choose from. Seriously,the only thing you cling to is collateral damage. Pity.

Originally posted by Desaad
I'm not sure what difference doing something in a fight with someone - that you either beat or stalemate - would make.

Odin has created entire stars (battle with Forsung), has destroyed galaxies AGAIN in his battle with Infinity, has defeated Galaxy Destroying beings on MULTIPLE occasions (Surtur...and yes, Surtur destroyed galaxies on his own), has casually defeated Mangog at Silver Age levels, has teleported Asgard through time and space, has created devices that allowed planetary reality warping.

How many galaxy smashers -- people we've seen destroy galaxies on their own -- has Galactus defeated?

Originally posted by Red Hulk
But we're talking about the Strange/Thing incident, in which two attacks happened during that part. He was obviously pretty weak if two attacks put him near death.

Don't you see how that is circular logic? "He's not weak at all, normally, but the evidence that he was weak is that he was taken down by two characters".

You preclude any other conclusion -- Any time he has a bad showing he was must have already been incredibly weak beforehand.

And if we're talking about the entire incident, he was still said to be near starvation before he was cheapshotted by Thor.
Either way he was weak.

Actually, Galactus says himself that he is weak.

When doesn't he? When does he say "I'm strong!" before he goes into a battle?

Torch mentioned he was weak, but somehow still managing to hold his own against Thor and Iron Man. Reed said he was drained of power before he undid everything that Terrax did. Reed said he was near starvation before he captured the F4, created his coverters, and fought the heroes.

Can you name me a showing in which he faces down a foe when he's not already weakened?

And the Black Celestial arc is irrelevant as his hunger was increased dramatically so that nothing would satisfy him, therefore he could only increase in power.

But how can that be -- he was HUNGRY, and you're saying that hunger ALWAYS indicates weakness, aren't you?

Or is it possible to be hungry, but still be full strength? If I'm hungry, I can still run my PB, regardless. I can't sustain it forever, but I am pretty much good to go for a long while before I actually start getting weak.

And actually, Galactus isn't eternally hungry. He's only hungry after eating a planet when before something drastic has happened (like when the Elders drained him with the Infinity Gems). He has been full many times in his appearances, hell, he even slept after eating the Skrull world.
Unless we're talking about now, which isn't relevant to Galactus back then.

Galactus has regularly sent the Surfer out to find another world right after he consumes another, saying "the hunger shall soon be upon me again".

He is almost always hungry.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
not just that. galan is part of the "cosmic powers", odin isn't.

Yes, which goes to importance in the celestial scheme rather than actual power.

The Senator John Mccain is much more important than I am - you might say he is part of the "political powers" that rule our nation - but I'm pretty sure I can take him in a fight, given that he can't raise his arms above his shoulders.

I'm not disputing Galactus' galactic importance, just what kind of combat power he can bring to bear.

^galactus must feed once every earth month. he makes his herald search for it asap so he doesn't get caught with his pants down like he did with the ovoids. that cost him the air-walker's life.

Oh ya, Galactus also destroyed a Watcher, seemingly beat Annihilus, and destroyed three star systems (did not slow), and destroyed a bunch of the Annihilation Wave after being freed by Surfer.
He also killed at least 7 Nova's with one shot (and I believe more, but I haven't read the book in a while).
Stopped Bill, and seemingly Stardust (although she was fine in the next panel) with a clap.
He ate the Elders like candy (Grandmaster and Collector included). The only thing that saved them was immortality/reconstructed inside him).
Beat and depowered Tyrant while at the time they were said to destroy galaxies.
Turned Hyperstorm into an all you can eat buffet.
Started to absorb Mephisto's whole realm.
One shotted Thanos.
Managed to have a long on-panel battle (it happened off-panel as well) with Phoenix while weakened.
Stalemated I-B while weakened.

Etc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I disagree. Thanos demonstrated more power and also mindraped two characters. When did he ever initiate a mindrape before his final upgrade?

He did it against Moondragon way back before he got his FIRST upgrade, in fact. And even in Annihilation he proves that he doesn't have true telepathy when he requires Moondragon to read Annihilus' mind.

You know my feelings on the Maker -- That wasn't a mindrape, that is you misreading it, and bringing in fan websites doesn't change that.

So, still zero evidence of a power up.

When did Galactus feed earlier in the arc? I think you may be confusing another story or so.

No, this was the Hunger Arc, and Galactus is seen feeding on a star earlier.

Galactus' blast did far more damage than multiple blasts sis to Thanos. Thanos' blasts really didnt affect either character,but his words are completely different. Thanos doesnt dispute Galactus' supreior power,but does dispute Odin's. Thanos waded through a gungir blast. One blast had Thanos looking worse off than Odin's entire battle with him.

Again, Thanos' blast against Odin didn't even MOVE him. Thanos' blast against Galactus sent him flying and destroyed his helmet.

How can you possibly claim they are in any way equal?

Are you seriously claiming that the Surfer coul dprolong a battle with the very guy who gave him his powers? Please think about it for a moment.

I've thought about it. It's ridiculous. But Surfer's speed and manueverability have allowed him to mount attacks against Galactus for a disturbing length of time without reprisals (he always loses, mind you).

Yes,Galactus was pissed at Thanos,while Odin admitted he wanted to kill him,but lacked the power to do so. The battle was stopped before it could be concluded.

Odin was having FUN in their battle, as I stated above. He ENJOYED a good fight. Galactus was angry, wanted to end it quickly, DOESN"T enjoy a good fight.

Odin was out for the kill. Its verified in the comic. If you feel different you dont have a leg to stand on,and its an opinion that ignores the dialogue of the comic itself.

Right here.

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Where does that say that Odin is out for the kill?

So,many to choose from. Seriously,he only thing you cling to is collateral damage. Pity.

What? It's Galactus' HIGHEST feat. I'm 'clinging' to it because I'm comparing their best.

Not only does Odin have more examples of feats at this level (2 or 3 to Galactus' 1), but he's got more impressive battles against beings who can verifiably do the same.

You're lucky I'm not claiming that Odin is MORE powerful than Galactus, because feats could point in that direction.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^galactus must feed once every earth month. he makes his herald search for it asap so he doesn't get caught with his pants down like he did with the ovoids. that cost him the air-walker's life.

Can you give me a reference for that time table? Once a month, I mean?

I dont seem to remember Odin entering the fray after the rainbow bride had been destroyed in the ig.

He isnt alone either and has many skyfathers with him.

Looks kinda helpless.

Ooooops. Looks helpless here against the Celestial while amping this blast with two other skyfathers.

Later when he entered the destroyer suit,I didnt see any gaalxies destroyed but I saw Odin get wrecked. Easily.

Originally posted by Red Hulk
Oh ya, Galactus also destroyed a Watcher,

So has Quasar.

seemingly beat Annihilus,

So has Odin

and destroyed three star systems (did not slow),

Kind of piddling when we are talking about galactic destroyers, isn't it?

and destroyed a bunch of the Annihilation Wave after being freed by Surfer.

I don't know that there is a reason to seperate all these, when all three happened as the result of one blast (the solar system destroying one).

He also killed at least 7 Nova's with one shot (and I believe more, but I haven't read the book in a while).

Well yeah, he created 'em.

Beat and depowered Tyrant while at the time they were said to destroy galaxies.

Right. Odin has done something like this at least twice.

[quoteTurned Hyperstorm into an all you can eat buffet.
Started to absorb Mephisto's whole realm.[/quote]

I'll be honest; his battle against Mephisto should be counted AGAINST him given the kind of terrible showings we've seen from Mephisto in his own realm and out of it.

One shotted Thanos.
Managed to have a long on-panel battle (it happened off-panel as well) with Phoenix while weakened.
Stalemated I-B while weakened.

Etc.

These are all fine and dandy, and recall that I'm not trying to put down Galactus here.

But none of these outshine Odin's battles with Surtur, a verifiable Galaxy burster (The same can't be said for Inbetweener, for instance, nor that version of Phoenix so far as I know).

I'm arguing for parity. You guys, the Galactus supporters, should be able to bring in something that definitively places Galactus above Odin if you feel that to be true, ESPECIALLY since so many of you seem to think the difference is great.

Isn't that a reasonable expectation on my part?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont seem to remember Odin entering the fray after the rainbow bride had been destroyed in the ig.

He isnt alone either and has many skyfathers with him.

Yeah, he got cut out of the fight before it even began. Doesn't prove anything about his power matches up to Galactus, since Galactus didn't get through that.

Ooooops. Looks helpless here against the Celestial while amping this blast with two other skyfathers.

Later when he entered the destroyer suit,I didnt see any gaalxies destroyed but I saw Odin get wrecked. Easily.

Quick question; How many Celestials has Galactus battled in continuity?

Quick Answer None!

Quick Question: What does your above argument prove?

Quick Answer Nothing!