Originally posted by leonheartmmBull.
kratos without his time manipulation powers isnt as strong as cloud or sephiroth, and CERTAINLY isnt as strong as dante.
Physically, he is more powerful than all three combined.
He has blocked and deflected things far faster than any of them.
He has fought more powerful entities.
He is more durable, able to fly hundreds of feet through thick stone wall ceilings without injury.
He is more versatile than all but maybe Dante.
He possesses much greater weapons, is more skilled, and is more powerful.
And the time powers in turn make him incredibly cheap to use in a vs. debate.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
kratos without his time manipulation powers isnt as strong as cloud or sephiroth, and CERTAINLY isnt as strong as dante.
I know I said I can't disagree, but what you just said is like taking away Dante's devil state, Sephiroth's sword, and Cloud's sword. You can't take away his time manipulation.
wil7 i talk about taking away the EXTREME form of time manipulation which equals time travel, because it creates a severe technical power for the wielder. in a way, the wierlder cud go back in time and destroy ANY1, be it mario or be it GALACTUS, before they are born or heck even the universe. but that isnt really representative of their POWERS is it? which is what we are really after, time WARPING/STOPPING/SLOWING DOWN, like dante or dio is sumthing accceptable but not time travel. similar to how some people make the argument that the surfer cud kill galactus by time travelling before he existed.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Bull.Physically, he is more powerful than all three combined.
He has blocked and deflected things far faster than any of them.
He has fought more powerful entities.
He is more durable, able to fly hundreds of feet through thick stone wall ceilings without injury.
He is more versatile than all but maybe Dante.
He possesses much greater weapons, is more skilled, and is more powerful.
And the time powers in turn make him incredibly cheap to use in a vs. debate.
1. physically he is much weaker
2. dante has blocked enemeis made of pure lightening and travelling at its speed, as well as enemies made of shadows and travelling at the speed of light, add time manipulation to that and NO, kratos isnt faster
3. he hasnt fought more powerful entities than the despair embodied
4. he isnt durable enough to take attacks from the dispair embodied. greek gods strong as they are, seem to think the world of sparta, the scale isnt the same.
5. weapons, youll have to argue against dante. but he IS the LEAST skilled in the uses compared to any1 else here
6. time manipulation powers resulting in time travel are a walking plot device that can destroy even cosmic beings.
not really, he got it after defeating the tri sisters. it wasnt HIS to begin with. and he didnt use it in his fight against zeus. only when he LOST in the end, because of his growing power, did he use it to travel back in time and along with gaea, challenge the weaker olympian gods. its a plot device ability.
But he had the ability to stop time in the game. He was able to do it when he beat the tri sisters, and he was able to then use the power. Cloud found the 2nd buster sword, it wasn't his to begin with, but he still has it. If Cloud can use this buster sword, then kratos can use his time manipulaton ability.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
wil7 i talk about taking away the EXTREME form of time manipulation which equals time travel, because it creates a severe technical power for the wielder. in a way, the wierlder cud go back in time and destroy ANY1, be it mario or be it GALACTUS, before they are born or heck even the universe. but that isnt really representative of their POWERS is it? which is what we are really after, time WARPING/STOPPING/SLOWING DOWN, like dante or dio is sumthing accceptable but not time travel. similar to how some people make the argument that the surfer cud kill galactus by time travelling before he existed.
no, kratos could not got back in time and kill mario, because thats in a totally different game and timeline.
also, since dante gets his quick silver, i think its pretty fair that kratos gets his time powers, even if they are far more advanced than dantes.
wil7 makes a good point, if you take away one of kratos' powers, then it would change the thread. go ahead and take away his time powers, but while your at it take quick silver away from dante.
even without time conrtol, kratos would pwn dante soooooo bad.
and dont get me wrong, i love devil may cry, i beat the third, 4 , and almost the second one. i loved the game, and dante is too bad ass, but to be honest ( and i think im speaking for everyone) kratos would pwn dante in a heart beat.
ahhhh, but u DIDNT beat devil may cry 2 did you? otherwise ud have a very different oppinion of dante. the last boss is the game breaker. the immortal god, dispair embodied, and abstract being which is the embodiement of all dispair and truly immortal, not using time manipulation or even devil trigger, dante KILLED him in pure combat.
the ONLY way kratos can beat dante is with his time TRAVELLING powers
Argosax was neither at full power, nor even the same as its mythical counterpart--which is the problem with DMCs demons; they come from mythologies all around, and if they aren't inanimate objects/weapons (Lucifer, anyone), they're entirely different in concept from their actual mythical counterparts. At least with God of War, the characters, settings, etc. are actually meant to take place in the actual Greek Mythology.
Originally posted by leonheartmm1. BULL. SHIT. You would have to be a fanboy to think Kratos is physically the weakest here. NO ONE else has shown the strength to stop the Collossus of Rhode's foot from crushing them and then throwing it like a mile away.
1. physically he is much weaker2. dante has blocked enemeis made of pure lightening and travelling at its speed, as well as enemies made of shadows and travelling at the speed of light, add time manipulation to that and NO, kratos isnt faster
3. he hasnt fought more powerful entities than the despair embodied
4. he isnt durable enough to take attacks from the dispair embodied. greek gods strong as they are, seem to think the world of sparta, the scale isnt the same.
5. weapons, youll have to argue against dante. but he IS the LEAST skilled in the uses compared to any1 else here
6. time manipulation powers resulting in time travel are a walking plot device that can destroy even cosmic beings.
2. Prove they all traveled at that speed.
3. Sure he has. Zeus with the Blade of Olympus and the Sisters of Fate for one.
4. And what feats does the Despair Embodied have that make it so UBER POWAFUL!
5. The Blade of Olympus in one swing defeated all the Titans and sent them to Tartarus, no one here's weapons can compete with that. Kratos has been trained in the art of war since a child, like Sephiroth, but unlike Sephiroth who had relatively ridiciulous strength, Kratos was a normal human, but still won wars despite being outnumbered.
6. Kay. And they are still part of his normal powerset.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. BULL. SHIT. You would have to be a fanboy to think Kratos is physically the weakest here. NO ONE else has shown the strength to stop the Collossus of Rhode's foot from crushing them and then throwing it like a mile away.2. Prove they all traveled at that speed.
3. Sure he has. Zeus with the Blade of Olympus and the Sisters of Fate for one.
4. And what feats does the Despair Embodied have that make it so UBER POWAFUL!
5. The Blade of Olympus in one swing defeated all the Titans and sent them to Tartarus, no one here's weapons can compete with that. Kratos has been trained in the art of war since a child, like Sephiroth, but unlike Sephiroth who had relatively ridiciulous strength, Kratos was a normal human, but still won wars despite being outnumbered.
6. Kay. And they are still part of his normal powerset.
Kratos is not the weakest one of the 4. Cloud is easily the weakest one. Kratos is too strong and too fast, Sephiroth is way too fast, and Dante has too many fighting styles, and weapons.
I don't think they ever did travel at the same speed. I have no idea what he is talking about.
Comepared to these 4, the Despaired Embodied is a little tiny ant. He's nothing.
1. kratos is a human, and his physical power has him at times straining to pick up large building pillars.
2. shadows move at the speed of SHADOWS, simple. the enemeis in mirrors travel at the speed of reflection, the lightening enemies in dmc1 wer licing lightening, and teh enemeis in devil may cry 4 become a BOLT OF LIGHTENING to quickly travel to different locations, if you want a video, i can find you one.
3. zeus with the blade of olympus isnt as strong as a universal embodiement of an abstract concept. everything in mythology usually happens on a LOCALISED scale{e.g. you cant compare hades in the hercules movie or god of war to "death" in marvel now can you?}
4. being an immortal god who is the very embodeiment of the concept of dispar isnt enough for you? how about the ability to destroy the world or enough power, for which he/she was resummoned?
5. with a single blast dante KILLED the despair embodied. not to mention eternally trapped mundus in another dimension, that makes his guns stronger.
6. again its a plot device, not POWER. its like hmm, ur a billion times more powerful than me but i know JUST the right magical word to say to kill you instantaneously. so i win.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. kratos is a human, and his physical power has him at times straining to pick up large building pillars.2. shadows move at the speed of SHADOWS, simple. the enemeis in mirrors travel at the speed of reflection, the lightening enemies in dmc1 wer licing lightening, and teh enemeis in devil may cry 4 become a BOLT OF LIGHTENING to quickly travel to different locations, if you want a video, i can find you one.
3. zeus with the blade of olympus isnt as strong as a universal embodiement of an abstract concept. everything in mythology usually happens on a LOCALISED scale{e.g. you cant compare hades in the hercules movie or god of war to "death" in marvel now can you?}
4. being an immortal god who is the very embodeiment of the concept of dispar isnt enough for you? how about the ability to destroy the world or enough power, for which he/she was resummoned?
5. with a single blast dante KILLED the despair embodied. not to mention eternally trapped mundus in another dimension, that makes his guns stronger.
6. again its a plot device, not POWER. its like hmm, ur a billion times more powerful than me but i know JUST the right magical word to say to kill you instantaneously. so i win.
Well, Dante has little lifting strength feats...his feats are mostly about force of hits.
And he banished\dispersed physical avatar of Despair Embodied thus banishing him from human realm...Not technically killed him.
As for Blitzes... don't make me go all over that again. Though Blitzes in electric form are one of the most annoying enemies and ARE damn hard to kill (though Omen move of Pandora Box destroys its electrical cloaking).