Originally posted by AllanklesHe couldnt bfr Darkseid off the planet until he got hit irectly in the face with the omega effect. If he could do it right off the gate,then why didnt he do it soon as the fight began?
You thought wrong. Unless Rulk can manipulate gravity with his strength he'll get thrown off planet in a flash.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He couldnt bfr Darkseid off the planet until he got hit irectly in the face with the omega effect. If he could do it right off the gate,then why didnt he do it soon as the fight began?
Your question addresses the parameters of the plot, my statement addresses Superman's pure, basic ability to BFR Rulk and the basic physics involved in accomplishing such a feat. Nothing complicated, I'm not giving one party advantages that they don't have, just pointing out the dynamics of this fight. One guy can BFR the other guy thanks to his advantages.
Originally posted by AllanklesNo it doesnt. When has Superman bfr'd someone comparable to Rulk at the beginning of the fight off the planet?
Your question addresses the parameters of the plot, my statement addresses Superman's pure, basic ability to BFR Rulk and the basic physics involved in accomplishing such a feat. Nothing complicated, I'm not giving one party advantages that they don't have, just pointing out the dynamics of this fight. One guy can BFR the other guy thanks to his advantages.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No it doesnt. When has Superman bfr'd someone comparable to Rulk at the beginning of the fight off the planet?
Of course it does, how would it not? BFR doesn't have anything to do with the relative health of the target, but gravity and in this case, the superior speed of Superman. When Superman fought Subject 17 he first engaged him without first analyzing him, when he realized how tough he was he BFR'd him almost immediately because he had to some people to save. Subjekt couldn't do a thing to stop it.
Originally posted by AllanklesSupes didnt bfr Konvikt. Sorry,you havent proven he can bfr Rulk easily or at all.
Of course it does, how would it not? BFR doesn't have anything to do with the relative health of the target, but gravity and in this case, the superior speed of Superman. When Superman fought Subject 17 he first engaged him without first analyzing him, when he realized how tough he was he BFR'd him almost immediately because he had to some people to save. Subjekt couldn't do a thing to stop it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes didnt bfr Konvikt. Sorry,you havent proven he can bfr Rulk easily or at all.
Once again you use the limited parameters of the plot as a weak and illogical support for your argument. I'm not only discussing what happened in the plot, but the possibilities as well.
The plot is only one outcome, one narrowed scenario that's why we have vs boards like these to discuss in broader terms how these battles will play out without the restrictions of plots that compromises the characters. Hypothetically, nothing should stop Supes from BFRing Rulk.
The plot showed off Konvikt's durability and toughness but it never showed Supes speed or his capacity to BFR in that one fight. Thor can BFR too btw but he didn't in his fight with Rulk, he was written to be Rulk's punching bag and didn't put up match of a fight.
Originally posted by AllanklesPicking someone up and throwing them off the planet before they can resist is easier said than done. Especially,when I have seen him bfr darkseid,but only after he was weakened by his own omega beams.
Once again you use the limited parameters of the plot as a weak and illogical support for your argument. I'm not only discussing what happened in the plot, but the possibilities as well.The plot is only one outcome, one narrowed scenario that's why we have vs boards like these to discuss in broader terms how these battles will play out without the restrictions of plots that compromises the characters. Hypothetically, nothing should stop Supes from BFRing Rulk.
The plot showed off Konvikt's durability and toughness but it never showed Supes speed or his capacity to BFR in that one fight. Thor can BFR too btw but he didn't in his fight with Rulk, he was written to be Rulk's punching bag and didn't put up match of a fight.
Originally posted by quanchi112beating up someone has no idea with their ability to cling to the ground, if you hit someone with the force to break a moon no matter how strong they are, if they can't fly, theyre gone.
Such as?It isnt as easy as bfring Rulk is my point. He isnt some normal brick. He is an asskicker. He beat the stuffing out of Thor.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Such as?He isnt some normal brick. He is an asskicker.
And what do you think Subjekt-17 is or Lobo? Those guys are big time ass kickers in Lobo's case he's kicked more ass than Rulk. Subjekt -17 in addition to being super durable, super fast and super strong could unleash sonic attacks through his vocal cords and he was a telepath and had telekinetic abilities not to mention a form of x ray vision.
Didn't stop them from getting BFR'd by Supes and their health was hardly affected in both instances before the BFR. Supes also speedblitzed Subjekt -17.
Rulk's inferior speed plus his inability to manipulate gravity whatsoever means that it Superman hits him or throws him with considerable force he gets BFR'd.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Picking someone up and throwing them off the planet before they can resist is easier said than done. Especially,when I have seen him bfr darkseid,but only after he was weakened by his own omega beams.
That still only qualifies as one scenario. All that's stopping Rulk from being BFR'd is his own weight and a mistake from Superman, allowing Rulk to get a hold of him or land a strike. Both of those are a weak defense against a BFR. What happens to Rulk if Superman hits him with enough force to pinball him? From the onset without giving Rulk a chance to react or launch anything of his own?
Originally posted by AllanklesLobo hurt his hand on Darkseid's face. Lobo has never outright raped someone comparable to Thor like he was a child.
And what do you think Subjekt-17 is or Lobo? Those guys are big time ass kickers in Lobo's case he's kicked more ass than Rulk. Subjekt -17 in addition to being super durable, super fast and super strong could unleash sonic attacks through his vocal cords and he was a telepath and had telekinetic abilities not to mention a form of x ray vision.Didn't stop them from getting BFR'd by Supes and their health was hardly affected in both instances before the BFR. Supes also speedblitzed Subjekt -17.
Rulk's inferior speed plus his inability to manipulate gravity whatsoever means that it Superman hits him or throws him with considerable force he gets BFR'd.
What had Subjeckt-17 done that was impressive?
Supes didnt seem to bfr Konvikt easily and he had the jla's help. They also didnt want to hurt anyone. if it were so easy why did he not just take him off the planet?
Originally posted by AllanklesWho has ever hit Rulk hard enough to pinball him? I havent seen Supes pinball anyone on Rulk's level or anyone for that matter.
That still only qualifies as one scenario. All that's stopping Rulk from being BFR'd is his own weight and a mistake from Superman, allowing Rulk to get a hold of him or land a strike. Both of those are a weak defense against a BFR. What happens to Rulk if Superman hits him with enough force to pinball him? From the onset without giving Rulk a chance to react or launch anything of his own?