Trinity Superman vs. Red Hulk

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,common sense is keeping him on the planet. Supes doesnt easily bfr any powerful brick that comes his way. The only reason he bfr'd Seid in superman/batman is because he was injured by his own omega beams.

Show me Supes doing it to a comparable character to Rulk.

Your forcing your scenario my throat like its factual. It isnt. You havent supported it within comics yet anyways. So,in your mind I know it happens,but not on kmc or any other board imo.

No, common sense is him flying off the planet. Simple physics says it is like Superman tossing a rock into space. Superman's speed accounts for the other part. Superman is infinitely faster than rulk, so you give me a logical reason why Superman will ever get hit by rulk, and why superman can't bfr him... Strength plays no part in the one being bfr'd only his weight does. Well strength could play a part if rulk were fast enough to react to Superman, but seeing as he isn't...

Originally posted by quanchi112
He couldnt bfr Darkseid off the planet until he got hit irectly in the face with the omega effect. If he could do it right off the gate,then why didnt he do it soon as the fight began?

Do you not understand that in order for a writer to make a story interesting, they have to pose a challenge to the hero. How interesting would a superman story be if he just went around BFR'ing everyone slower than him? Not very interesting at all. That is why we use feats to debate. the fact that he hasn't bfr'd a brick like the rulk before, does not mean he can't do so, since he posses the speed and strength to do so. If you truly understood the rules, you would get this. Either that or you are just using fanboy logic...

*Claps*

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, Rulk is strong enough to beat the shit out of Thor. He isnt getting bfr'd imo. No way, no how.

Those robotic harpies defending the base Hulk was in picked him up and removed him from the premises easily enough, won't be hard for Supes (moving at speeds that meant Rulk wouldn't even see him) to pick him up and throw him away.

I still don't understand how being stronger equals no BFR.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I still don't understand how being stronger equals no BFR.

Only to a fanboy. Or troll... I am still not convinced he isn't trolling.

Originally posted by snyper1982
No, common sense is him flying off the planet. Simple physics says it is like Superman tossing a rock into space. Superman's speed accounts for the other part. Superman is infinitely faster than rulk, so you give me a logical reason why Superman will ever get hit by rulk, and why superman can't bfr him... Strength plays no part in the one being bfr'd only his weight does. Well strength could play a part if rulk were fast enough to react to Superman, but seeing as he isn't...

Supes is faster but that doesnt mean he takes him off the planet like you say it does.

Originally posted by snyper1982
Do you not understand that in order for a writer to make a story interesting, they have to pose a challenge to the hero. How interesting would a superman story be if he just went around BFR'ing everyone slower than him? Not very interesting at all. That is why we use feats to debate. the fact that he hasn't bfr'd a brick like the rulk before, does not mean he can't do so, since he posses the speed and strength to do so. If you truly understood the rules, you would get this. Either that or you are just using fanboy logic...

Originally posted by The Pict
Those robotic harpies defending the base Hulk was in picked him up and removed him from the premises easily enough, won't be hard for Supes (moving at speeds that meant Rulk wouldn't even see him) to pick him up and throw him away.

Is that the only way he can win?

Originally posted by snyper1982
This ISN'T a comic book debate! That is your problem, you keep thinking that something has to have happened in a comic for it to be a plausible option. Not so. This a forum debate, where we debate powers vs powers. In this forum, rulk gets bfr'd in well under a second because it is a viable option for superman to use, and easily within his powerset. If superman were an idiot, he might try slugging it out with rulk without using his superspeed, which is what you think he should do obviously. But only a rulk fanboy would "debate" like that...

It is not in this Superman's character to brawl it with Rulk.

Failure.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
It is not in this Superman's character to brawl it with Rulk.

Failure.

I am saying that this Superman with Batman & Woinder Woman's mentality will not brawl it Rulk.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I am saying that this Superman with Batman & Woinder Woman's mentality will not brawl it Rulk.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok,fair point. When has trinity Supes bfr'd someone off the planet?

The writers chose to use a plot evice on Konvikt and he speedblitzed Ultraman and Ko'd Superwoman. Why do you keep doing this? You do know stating things like he didn't BFR so and so just comes off like you don't know how his abilities work?

Not to mention that it is a poor, dishonest and convenient way to debate. We argue actual ability, on top of previous evidence.

Furthermore he did BFR some 50 ton creatures that are made up of living metal i.e. Rulk's weight would be much easier to handle. So yes he did BFR something in Trinity.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He still doesnt have what it takes to ko Rulk. Sooner or later Rulk will tag him and beat the snot out of him.

That's your opinion I think the opposite. An efficient Superman IMO takes the measure of Rulk's abilities and absolutely schools him. Make no mistake X Ray Vison, HV and TV do a number on Rulk.

Originally posted by Allankles
The writers chose to use a plot evice on Konvikt and he speedblitzed Ultraman and Ko'd Superwoman. Why do you keep doing this? You do know stating things like he didn't BFR so and so just comes off like you don't know how his abilities work?

Not to mention that it is a poor, dishonest and convenient way to debate. We argue actual ability, on top of previous evidence.

Furthermore he did BFR some 50 ton creatures that are made up of living metal i.e. Rulk's weight would be much easier to handle. So yes he did BFR something in Trinity.

That's your opinion I think the opposite. An efficient Superman IMO takes the measure of Rulk's abilities and absolutely schools him. Make no mistake X Ray Vison, HV and TV do a number on Rulk.

He failed to bfr Konvikt and woul dfail utterly to defeat Rulk. Konvikt doesnt have superspeed either. 😬

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes,I understand this. I also understand that Supes cant easily bfr any old brick that comes his way. We have what the comics give us. Rulk pounds Superman into submission. Its in Superman's character to brawl with a brawler.

So in order for us to debate this, we have to abide by the rules you set forth right? Like we have to use PIS, and one character being neutered to make it so your character would win right? Get off it. OK.

It is painfully obvious you have absolutely no idea what the rules mean. You keep ignoring the fact that both characters fight to the best of their abilities, and that we don't use instances of PIS. You want to just ignore this though, and continue pointing to instance of PIS that support your argument, and put your fingers in your ears and scream like a child when somebody gives you examples of things you ask for. Like when has Superman ever BFR'd a brick on rulks level. Well just because you don't believe wonder woman, ultraman, etc are on rulks level is irrelevant, because not only are they bricks, they are MUCH MUCH MUCH faster than the rulk as well, and he managed to bfr them.

Also, you have ignored every request I have made to you regarding how Superman will ever get hit by rulk, all you have said is he would get tagged eventually, but that basically means superman would have to run into rulks fist... You have also ignored my request for your explanation regarding whats stopping rulk from getting punched or chucked into space? All you have said is he is strong. Well a strong statue, can't do much, because it can't move... I will not expect a response to these questions this time either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He failed to bfr Konvikt and woul dfail utterly to defeat Rulk.

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Originally posted by -K-M-
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Something to add?

You just ignored the context WHY Superman didn't BFR him, and then used it as an example that Rulk could somehow replicate 😬