Errors in Genesis

Originally posted by peejayd
* what kind of gay rights? homosexual acts are forbidden in the Bible but a homosexual person not engaging in homosexual acts nor living a life of flesh is a candidate for salvation:

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, [b]nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."
I Corinthians 6:9-11[/B]

If you'd read the Bible you'd know that Jesus and Paul are different people. Jesus himself never once addressed gay rights, but everything he did say implied that he would have supported a much more liberal view than you attribute him.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If you'd read the Bible you'd know that Jesus and Paul are different people. Jesus himself never once addressed gay rights, but everything he did say implied that he would have supported a much more liberal view than you attribute him.

There are a lot of people who get Jesus and Paul confused, but if you look at their teachings with a open mind, you will see they don't agree on a lot of things.

Bringing to the conclusion it's full of shit.

But that's a different topic.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i kinda agree that it might... what can you say about the metaphor-thingy?

Then you agree that if the term "day" in the creation account refers to a period of time other than the one that man recognizes as day, then it does not "establish understanding," but creates confusion.

Originally posted by peejayd
* as i have said earlier, the fact that the light-producing bodies were only created on the fourth day, means that those bodies were not present in the first day... the light in the first day is not the light for the earth... light can also mean the start of everything because prior to that, all was nothing, void, empty and dark... now, going back, since the light-producing bodies were only created on the fourth day, there was no sign of having 24-hour day before that... as you argued before, natural processes are needed... 🙂

Again, it is not this light that indicates day and night, but the path of the sun and the moon through the sky. Which begs the question, "How could there be 'the evening and the morning' on the first day if there was no sun to mark them?"

Originally posted by peejayd
* ok, i will concede on that parallelism... however, another argument mine here is that it was the power & prerogative of God... He can create and make trees & plants bear fruits & flowers with or without natural processes...

Jesus cursed a fig tree, because it would not bear fruit out of season:

Mark 11:13-4; 20

Seeing at a distance a fig tree in leaf, He went to see if perhaps He would find anything on it; and when He came to it, He found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs.

He said to it, "May no one ever eat fruit from you again!" And His disciples were listening.

As they were passing by in the morning, they saw the fig tree withered from the roots up.

Originally posted by peejayd
* it is a fact beginning when man discovers that the moon is only a reflector... but prior to that?

Discovery has nothing to do with whether or not something is factual.

Originally posted by peejayd
* there're giants still, were they? moreover, these giants were in the time of Noah, very long time ago, it's not impossible that we cannot have archaeological evidences regarding them...

Even though both may be described as a "giant," there is a fundamental difference between an individual whose height in the upper 1% of the population, and the hybrid offspring of an angel and human being.

Originally posted by peejayd
* from the word itself "serpent" means a limbless reptile so, there's no indication that snakes before have legs or eat dust...

Limbless, since being cursed.

Originally posted by peejayd
* nope, i would argue it's literal if there's misinterpretation and if there are supporting verses that says it's literal... same if it's figurative... and i promise you, if that's not what it was or it's something i really don't know - i'll concede...

What authority do you have to determine which verses are literal and which are metaphorical?

Originally posted by peejayd
* Hebrews 9:27 reiterates the totality of men that Christ would have to save via His sacrifice, so it really was appointed for men to die...

After Eve tasted the fruit of the tree of knowledge.

Originally posted by peejayd
* does the theory of evolution make the original creature obsolete/phased out while the evolved creature continues to live on? if so, the theory is utterly wrong... if it's not, i might reconsider... 🙂

How can you claim disbelief in Evolution, when you do not fully understand the theory?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
...How can you claim disbelief in Evolution, when you do not fully understand the theory?

Knowledge is not a requirement of blind faith.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If you'd read the Bible you'd know that Jesus and Paul are different people. Jesus himself never once addressed gay rights, but everything he did say implied that he would have supported a much more liberal view than you attribute him.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
If you'd read the Bible you'd know that Jesus and Paul are different people. Jesus himself never once addressed gay rights, but everything he did say implied that he would have supported a much more liberal view than you attribute him.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There are a lot of people who get Jesus and Paul confused, but if you look at their teachings with a open mind, you will see they don't agree on a lot of things.

* i'm not confused with Jesus and Saint Paul, i'm just abiding Jesus here:

"He that heareth you heareth me; and he that rejecteth you rejecteth me; and he that rejecteth me rejecteth him that sent me."
Luke 10:16

"He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me."
Matthew 10:40

* if you accept Jesus, then you should accept also His disciples, 🙂

Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm not confused with Jesus and Saint Paul, i'm just abiding Jesus here:

"He that heareth you heareth me; and he that rejecteth you rejecteth me; and he that rejecteth me rejecteth him that sent me."
Luke 10:16

"He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me."
Matthew 10:40

* if you accept Jesus, then you should accept also His disciples, 🙂

Paul was not a disciple of Jesus. Paul never knew Jesus while he was alive.

Originally posted by peejayd
* i'm not confused with Jesus and Saint Paul, i'm just abiding Jesus here:

"He that heareth you heareth me; and he that rejecteth you rejecteth me; and he that rejecteth me rejecteth him that sent me."
Luke 10:16

"He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me."
Matthew 10:40

* if you accept Jesus, then you should accept also His disciples, 🙂

That does not mean that they speak with the voice or authority of God, Jesus or anyone but themselves. Noting Paul's homophobic stances is not sufficient for me to say that Jesus would have held them as well because a few short lines cannot cancel out all the good things that Jesus is recorded as saying.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Paul was not a disciple of Jesus. Paul never knew Jesus while he was alive.

* Paul was not a disciple of Jesus at first. then he was called by Jesus and he converted. the other apostles accepted him and he later became one of them.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That does not mean that they speak with the voice or authority of God, Jesus or anyone but themselves.

* Jesus gave them authority.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Noting Paul's homophobic stances is not sufficient for me to say that Jesus would have held them as well because a few short lines cannot cancel out all the good things that Jesus is recorded as saying.

* Paul did not cancel out anything. can you refute that what he preached was not a good thing? in fact, he did not condemn homosexuals, according to the verse i gave.

* and regarding Jesus not saying anything about gay rights, well yes, not specifically. but i can count it in on this:

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
Matthew 22:37-39 🙂

Originally posted by peejayd
* Paul was not a disciple of Jesus at first. then he was called by Jesus and he converted. the other apostles accepted him and he later became one of them.

Paul never met Jesus, and hallucinations don't count.

Originally posted by lord xyz
Probably the most obvious one.

1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

We learn three things here.

[list][*]It's the beginning
[*]God created Earth
[*]god created the Heavens[/list]

Genesis 1 then continues the story by explaining what Earth is after it was created; Genesis 1:1 happened first, and then everything after it happened after it, like every other story. Makes sense, right?

Then we go up to genesis 1:6-8

1:6 And God said, [b]Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
1:7 And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

God creates Heaven again!

Now how or why does god create Heaven twice? Can anyone explain this? [/B]

That is deplorable logic, which you clearly didn't research before you began to jump to conclusions, so allow me to educate you.

1. This is an english TRANSLATION of the original Hebrew text.
2. The word to which you refer to which is translated into Heaven in the KJV can be beter translated into "Sky".
3. The first time it uses heaven, it uses a different word, which refers to the location of Heaven and not the Heavens as in Sky.
(I had posted the actual word, but unfortunately KMC doesn't support Hebrew text.)

Infact other translations, such as the NIV have it translated into sky.

If you're going to preach learn the material.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Paul never met Jesus, and hallucinations don't count.

It wasn't a Hallucination.

Originally posted by Kapton JAC
...It wasn't a Hallucination.

If you see a dead person, then you are hallucinating.

So YOU believe.

Originally posted by Kapton JAC
So YOU believe.

No, it is what you believe. 🙄 Dead people don't walk around and talk to people.

If you speak in a pure physical sence... then no, people usually don't, however, if you speak in spiritual terms, then I do indeed believe that a "dead" person can communicate with a "living" person.

Originally posted by Kapton JAC
If you speak in a pure physical sence... then no, people usually don't, however, if you speak in spiritual terms, then I do indeed believe that a "dead" person can communicate with a "living" person.

Like I said, it is your belief.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, it is what you believe. 🙄 Dead people don't walk around and talk to people.

So you say.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you say.

Originally posted by THE JLRTENJAC
So YOU believe.